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April last year, when this whole thing hit, we had people under throwaway accounts including myself speaking about this on HN, and as expected we hit a roadbloc
by deadite 5y ago
April last year, when this whole thing hit, we had people under throwaway accounts including myself speaking about this on HN, and as expected we hit a roadblock because anecdotes aren't data and whatever, so we were downvoted, called conspiracy theorists and other nonsense. There's ultimately nothing for any of us to gain in lying that we've been asked, by our doctors, going back to October of 2019, whether or not we've been to Wuhan (asked specifically and point blank).
There's a lot more that we know than we are willing to share because HN just isn't a good platform for this sort of discussion anymore. It's too politicized and too many bruised, sensitive egos that can't handle contrary thinking. So for the rest of you, you'll have to get used to constantly having to shift and re-evaluate what you think you "know" and how you feel about a certain thing today, and the kind of statements and comments you've made in the past based on events that you think did or did not happen (because you've been told, and you believe what you're being told by the big media) when, in fact, it may turn out that the "truth" was factually incorrect or hidden from you to begin with.
Take it however you may, just please don't shoot the messenger.
- nenaan 5y agoNytimes had articles on it in late dec 2019, and january 2020. April 2020 is months past my states emergency orders.
- deadite 5y agoI agree. But people seemed to not be able to entertain the thought that doctors were aware something was happening back in October. In their minds, I think, if the big media did not have an article on it, then it doesn't exist. This is a grievous state of affairs for discussions, because it means NYT and others are effectively the Ministry of Truth for HN.
- elorant 5y agoDude, it's one thing sharing your experience, and a whole different to assume that doctors knew and are hiding something. Just because there were scattered cases here and there doesn't mean that the medical community could correlate them all and understand what they were dealing with.
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- tolbish 5y agoHere is an example of a thread where we all knew for a fact that the virus could not have spread as early as it did: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23459963 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23459963
- deadite 5y agoReminds me of this, which is a comically recurring thing on HN: https://slashdot.org/story/01/10/23/1816257/apple-releases-ipod https://slashdot.org/story/01/10/23/1816257/apple-releases-i...
- seoaeu 5y agoWait, what evidence is there that the virus was spreading in August 2019? From a quick Google search, this source [0] published not long ago claims they think earliest it could possibly have been was mid-October of 2019. [0]: https://health.ucsd.edu/news/releases/Pages/2021-03-18-novel-coronavirus-circulated-undetected-months-before-first-covid-19-cases-in-wuhan-china.aspx https://health.ucsd.edu/news/releases/Pages/2021-03-18-novel...
- tolbish 5y agoIt spread in the fall of 2019, which is late September, October, November, and December. That would put it in line with spreading in the US in December.
- javagram 5y agoHey, that’s my post :-D I think it still holds up. The virus being “present” in the US in December isn’t the same as being spread widely. This new NIH survey still offers no reason to doubt the timeline that the virus emerged around October 2019 in Wuhan and only became a serious threat in late November/December, when hospitalizations began to rise and some doctors started warning of a SARS re-emergence. A widespread COVID-19 epidemic in Wuhan during August 2019 continues to seem unlikely to me.
- Gibbon1 5y ago
- guscost 5y agoSame with anyone who was saying “it’s airborne” or “the case fatality rate is inflated” or “it could have leaked from that lab”. And now, behold as the intellectual class attempts to delete these mistakes from our collective memory.
- avs733 5y agono one is deleteing anything...they are simply learning, as science does, and noting that prior knowledge was incorrect. That is fundamentally different from people screaming without evidence. A broken clock is right twice a day, but it is not an accurate clock at any point.
- guscost 5y agoIt was a bit tongue-in-cheek, and note the word “attempts”. This one is much too big/high profile to delete, thankfully. The “this is just how to do science” defense is cute, but a lot people died and will die over it, and in general the conduct we have seen from formerly-trusted authorities is inexcusable. Most people are not going to let that gang of narrow-minded bullies “do science” to them ever again.
- vadansky 5y agoI'm sorry no, this is not "they are simply learning, as science does" People were against this emotionally since Trump suggested it first and no one wanted to be seen agreeing with him on something, even though a broken clock can be right twice a day
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- qmmmur 5y agoYou sound kind of bruised with a big ego?