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I like Windows as an end-user OS. Works with all my equipment. The only horribly annoying feature is the lack of borders around windows which sometimes make it

I like Windows as an end-user OS. Works with all my equipment. The only horribly annoying feature is the lack of borders around windows which sometimes make it very, very difficult to distinguish two overlapping windows. I am a heavy user of Linux in the back (all my servers and containers run some kind of Linux since '93) and I desperately tried to use it on the desktop but is it a big pile of crap. SO I will live in that duality forever (I do not like macOS)

ketzu 5y ago
I feel the same way. I switched my work machine to windows after I couldn't get displayport chaining to work consistently under linux and had to plug in my monitors in a specific order after booting. Windows is by no means perfect. A bit overly provocative: With windows, if something is bad it is microsofts fault, with linux it's a user error. I don't like ads in the operating system (but I see it is hard to find a path to commercialize a consumer OS). But I also liked windows 8.
- BrandoElFollito 5y ago
  I liked all of Windows, mostly because I am interested in technology and it was always a big thing to install the OS and see it working on my PC. As for Linux, I am trying every year or so to run it on the desktop and everytime nothing works as expected. It is either the wake up that dos not trigger one of the screens, ot the audio (a complete disaster) or something else. I am sure that there are solutions but this is really a patchwork. It is interesting how this is in contrast with their headless servers - I ran so many things for years, now mostly in docker and it just worked. When not, the error messages were usually informative - compared to the MS Windows events. This duality i snot really a problem 8 I have vastly different needs on both platforms (except for docker when I develop - but this works fine with WSL2). I did not know that there are Windows versions that display ads, though.
- fsflover 5y ago
  > I couldn't get displayport chaining to work consistently under linux But did you try to use hardware designed for Linux?
  - renata 5y ago
    Does Linux want to be as popular as Windows or as popular as Mac? Nobody has to check whether their hardware is designed for Windows.
    - jodrellblank 5y ago
      “Designed for Windows” has been a thing for decades: https://logos.fandom.com/wiki/Microsoft_Windows/Compatible https://logos.fandom.com/wiki/Microsoft_Windows/Compatible
  - ketzu 5y ago
    No, not really. This was my work computer and I was limited to using my available hardware (so either using one monitor with linux, continue the annoying sharade or switch my OS). And it worked with windows out of the box. (I still had to configure some things on windows, but less than I usually configure with linux. Just setting up powershell properly was a bit more work as I didn't have a dotfile readily available.)
    - fsflover 5y ago
      This is exactly the problem. You would also have problems if you tried to use Windows on a Mac; would you complain that it doesn't work? I enjoy stable Linux system on a good hardware designed for Linux. Everything works out of the box, no problems with drivers or suspend. No fighting against my own computer like on Windows.
      - ketzu 5y ago
        I have never picked hardware based on any certification or design for windows (and only once for linux) and rarely fought my OS based on hardware based problems. My experience is also that windows and linux are not generally viewed as systems where you have to buy extremly specific hardware (unlike macos). I barely ever felt like I fight my own computer on Windows. I currently see no clear advantage for linux in any ways, adding additional requirements like specifically picking hardware for it, makes it worse, not better for me. edit: I know people have very different experiences with various OSes, so the situation varies for everyone.
- tatersolid 5y ago
  > With windows, if something is bad it is microsofts fault, with linux it's a user error. Is this your own statement? I will use it frequently from this day forward, but want to attribute correctly.
  - ketzu 5y ago
    I am at least not aware I got it anywhere, so maybe it is my own. And it is a bit hyperbolic, but I feel it resembles the attitude I often encounter.
Koshkin 5y ago
LMGIFY: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-start-winpc/my-window-borders-are-missing-under-windows-10/a00a45e0-97ba-4e19-ad22-79c76b893d6a https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10...
- BrandoElFollito 5y ago
  Thank you for your kind "Let Me Google That For You" - but have you actually read what you pointed to? The first reply does not make sense - it has nothing to do with borders (just trying to differentiate - very poorly - windows though some limited color changes. The next few ones are "give me borders back", and the other solution does not work. But, if someone actually reads it, they will discover that what the author had in mind is to add shadows in windows in the performance section. Which again does not have anything to do with borders. Voilà, voilà.

ketzu 5y ago

I feel the same way. I switched my work machine to windows after I couldn't get displayport chaining to work consistently under linux and had to plug in my monitors in a specific order after booting. Windows is by no means perfect. A bit overly provocative: With windows, if something is bad it is microsofts fault, with linux it's a user error. I don't like ads in the operating system (but I see it is hard to find a path to commercialize a consumer OS). But I also liked windows 8.

BrandoElFollito 5y ago
I liked all of Windows, mostly because I am interested in technology and it was always a big thing to install the OS and see it working on my PC. As for Linux, I am trying every year or so to run it on the desktop and everytime nothing works as expected. It is either the wake up that dos not trigger one of the screens, ot the audio (a complete disaster) or something else. I am sure that there are solutions but this is really a patchwork. It is interesting how this is in contrast with their headless servers - I ran so many things for years, now mostly in docker and it just worked. When not, the error messages were usually informative - compared to the MS Windows events. This duality i snot really a problem 8 I have vastly different needs on both platforms (except for docker when I develop - but this works fine with WSL2). I did not know that there are Windows versions that display ads, though.
fsflover 5y ago
> I couldn't get displayport chaining to work consistently under linux But did you try to use hardware designed for Linux?
- renata 5y ago
  Does Linux want to be as popular as Windows or as popular as Mac? Nobody has to check whether their hardware is designed for Windows.
  - jodrellblank 5y ago
    “Designed for Windows” has been a thing for decades: https://logos.fandom.com/wiki/Microsoft_Windows/Compatible https://logos.fandom.com/wiki/Microsoft_Windows/Compatible
- ketzu 5y ago
  No, not really. This was my work computer and I was limited to using my available hardware (so either using one monitor with linux, continue the annoying sharade or switch my OS). And it worked with windows out of the box. (I still had to configure some things on windows, but less than I usually configure with linux. Just setting up powershell properly was a bit more work as I didn't have a dotfile readily available.)
  - fsflover 5y ago
    This is exactly the problem. You would also have problems if you tried to use Windows on a Mac; would you complain that it doesn't work? I enjoy stable Linux system on a good hardware designed for Linux. Everything works out of the box, no problems with drivers or suspend. No fighting against my own computer like on Windows.
    - ketzu 5y ago
      I have never picked hardware based on any certification or design for windows (and only once for linux) and rarely fought my OS based on hardware based problems. My experience is also that windows and linux are not generally viewed as systems where you have to buy extremly specific hardware (unlike macos). I barely ever felt like I fight my own computer on Windows. I currently see no clear advantage for linux in any ways, adding additional requirements like specifically picking hardware for it, makes it worse, not better for me. edit: I know people have very different experiences with various OSes, so the situation varies for everyone.
tatersolid 5y ago
> With windows, if something is bad it is microsofts fault, with linux it's a user error. Is this your own statement? I will use it frequently from this day forward, but want to attribute correctly.
- ketzu 5y ago
  I am at least not aware I got it anywhere, so maybe it is my own. And it is a bit hyperbolic, but I feel it resembles the attitude I often encounter.

Koshkin 5y ago

LMGIFY: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-start-winpc/my-window-borders-are-missing-under-windows-10/a00a45e0-97ba-4e19-ad22-79c76b893d6a https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10...

BrandoElFollito 5y ago
Thank you for your kind "Let Me Google That For You" - but have you actually read what you pointed to? The first reply does not make sense - it has nothing to do with borders (just trying to differentiate - very poorly - windows though some limited color changes. The next few ones are "give me borders back", and the other solution does not work. But, if someone actually reads it, they will discover that what the author had in mind is to add shadows in windows in the performance section. Which again does not have anything to do with borders. Voilà, voilà.