4 ms·

I still don't get why Apple/Google are totally fine to collect telemetry but Microsoft is somehow supposed to not do that.

Wowfunhappy 5y ago
Well on Apple platforms it’s easy to turn off with a single checkbox, which they explicitly ask you about at setup.
- partiallypro 5y ago
  iOS infamously collects your location data even when you opt out of Apple's iOS analytics; it's more of illusion of control than anything.
  - dlivingston 5y ago
    Source?
    - tomlagier 5y ago
      Probably referring to this story: https://krebsonsecurity.com/2019/12/the-iphone-11-pros-location-data-puzzler/ https://krebsonsecurity.com/2019/12/the-iphone-11-pros-locat...
      - dlivingston 5y ago
        Interesting. Maybe GP comment knows something I don't, but from your article, this seems like much ado about nothing. From your article and the linked follow-up: The issue: "[Apple's] policy [is]: “You can also disable location-based system services by tapping on System Services and turning off each location-based system service.” But apparently there are some system services on this model...which request location data and cannot be disabled by users without completely turning off location services." Apple's response: “We do not see any actual security implications,” an Apple engineer wrote in a response to KrebsOnSecurity. “It is expected behavior that the Location Services icon appears in the status bar when Location Services is enabled. The icon appears for system services that do not have a switch in Settings” "...“Ultra Wideband technology is an industry standard technology and is subject to international regulatory requirements that require it to be turned off in certain locations,” the statement continues. “iOS uses Location Services to help determine if iPhone is in these prohibited locations in order to disable Ultra Wideband and comply with regulations. The management of Ultrawide Band compliance and its use of location data is done entirely on the device and Apple is not collecting user location data.”"
flyinghamster 5y ago
Nobody's excusing them in this thread. But for me, Windows 8 was actually the last straw. I hate this "all your data are belong to us" mentality, and that absolutely includes smartphones, tablets, and internet "things" [edit: as well as PCs].
vimsee 5y ago
When a company, that has been playing a dirty game for decades making a monopoly of their software while collecting billions++ in licenses, people tend to expect some standards; and rightfully so.
tomjen3 5y ago
Whomever said it was okay for Google? There is a reason ublock origin and temporary tabs are installed in my firefox.
mosselman 5y ago
Who said anything about Apple and Google? Who said it is about telemetry? Unless you mean any and all data is telemetry.
JohnWhigham 5y ago
Apple doesn't monetize their user's data, for one.

Wowfunhappy 5y ago

Well on Apple platforms it’s easy to turn off with a single checkbox, which they explicitly ask you about at setup.

partiallypro 5y ago
iOS infamously collects your location data even when you opt out of Apple's iOS analytics; it's more of illusion of control than anything.
- dlivingston 5y ago
  Source?
  - tomlagier 5y ago
    Probably referring to this story: https://krebsonsecurity.com/2019/12/the-iphone-11-pros-location-data-puzzler/ https://krebsonsecurity.com/2019/12/the-iphone-11-pros-locat...
    - dlivingston 5y ago
      Interesting. Maybe GP comment knows something I don't, but from your article, this seems like much ado about nothing. From your article and the linked follow-up: The issue: "[Apple's] policy [is]: “You can also disable location-based system services by tapping on System Services and turning off each location-based system service.” But apparently there are some system services on this model...which request location data and cannot be disabled by users without completely turning off location services." Apple's response: “We do not see any actual security implications,” an Apple engineer wrote in a response to KrebsOnSecurity. “It is expected behavior that the Location Services icon appears in the status bar when Location Services is enabled. The icon appears for system services that do not have a switch in Settings” "...“Ultra Wideband technology is an industry standard technology and is subject to international regulatory requirements that require it to be turned off in certain locations,” the statement continues. “iOS uses Location Services to help determine if iPhone is in these prohibited locations in order to disable Ultra Wideband and comply with regulations. The management of Ultrawide Band compliance and its use of location data is done entirely on the device and Apple is not collecting user location data.”"

flyinghamster 5y ago

Nobody's excusing them in this thread. But for me, Windows 8 was actually the last straw. I hate this "all your data are belong to us" mentality, and that absolutely includes smartphones, tablets, and internet "things" [edit: as well as PCs].

vimsee 5y ago

When a company, that has been playing a dirty game for decades making a monopoly of their software while collecting billions++ in licenses, people tend to expect some standards; and rightfully so.

tomjen3 5y ago

Whomever said it was okay for Google? There is a reason ublock origin and temporary tabs are installed in my firefox.

mosselman 5y ago

Who said anything about Apple and Google? Who said it is about telemetry? Unless you mean any and all data is telemetry.

JohnWhigham 5y ago

Apple doesn't monetize their user's data, for one.