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I have noticed an increase in negative attitudes toward work, hard work, and generally the idea that one should sacrifice time/pleasure/etc. to reach a goal. I

I have noticed an increase in negative attitudes toward work, hard work, and generally the idea that one should sacrifice time/pleasure/etc. to reach a goal. I blame it on finance, crypto, and social media. When you can see millions of people casually get rich simply by holding an asset, the narrative of “working hard pays off” gets buried.

Jotra7 5y ago
Because hard work does not pay off. You'd have to be a fool to believe it.
lm28469 5y ago
This is oversimplification. My personal opinion is that we're still working as much as ever, productivity per hour/individual is through the roof, automation made a lot of processes much easier/productive, yet every few years the legal retirement age goes up, pensions go down, workers right are eroded, life gets expensive faster than wages are growing, &c. Keep in mind most people here live in a bubble. We make 2-10x our country's min wage while sitting on expensive chairs in ventilated offices, most people don't live like that. The increase of negativity towards work comes from the majority of people who barely make ends meet and know for sure they'll never be able to afford the life their parents/grandparents had no matter how hard they'll work. The system is designed to have a majority of people doing shitty jobs The "work hard pays off" propaganda is very convenient when you want to make people feel personal guilt and divert their focus from the broken system that make them feel miserable. People have been shitting on work well before cryptos and social medias were a thing. I'm not particularly versed on the subject but even I read books from the 60s which were already predicting what's happening now, we're just at the visible end of a very long process and more and more people can't take it anymore.
- ceilingcorner 5y ago
  I’m not a coder and I don’t make 2-10x the national wage. Hard work does pay off. Ask any children of immigrants. And I mean recent immigrants. While inequality certainly is rising and there are legitimate economic issues, I find that people have just become far lazier and more distracted. It’s not uncommon for the average American to spend 8-10 hours a day on your phone or watching television. If I had to guess, I’d say the rhetoric is rising because of this, not because everyone is just working so hard.

Jotra7 5y ago

Because hard work does not pay off. You'd have to be a fool to believe it.

lm28469 5y ago

This is oversimplification. My personal opinion is that we're still working as much as ever, productivity per hour/individual is through the roof, automation made a lot of processes much easier/productive, yet every few years the legal retirement age goes up, pensions go down, workers right are eroded, life gets expensive faster than wages are growing, &c. Keep in mind most people here live in a bubble. We make 2-10x our country's min wage while sitting on expensive chairs in ventilated offices, most people don't live like that. The increase of negativity towards work comes from the majority of people who barely make ends meet and know for sure they'll never be able to afford the life their parents/grandparents had no matter how hard they'll work. The system is designed to have a majority of people doing shitty jobs The "work hard pays off" propaganda is very convenient when you want to make people feel personal guilt and divert their focus from the broken system that make them feel miserable. People have been shitting on work well before cryptos and social medias were a thing. I'm not particularly versed on the subject but even I read books from the 60s which were already predicting what's happening now, we're just at the visible end of a very long process and more and more people can't take it anymore.

ceilingcorner 5y ago
I’m not a coder and I don’t make 2-10x the national wage. Hard work does pay off. Ask any children of immigrants. And I mean recent immigrants. While inequality certainly is rising and there are legitimate economic issues, I find that people have just become far lazier and more distracted. It’s not uncommon for the average American to spend 8-10 hours a day on your phone or watching television. If I had to guess, I’d say the rhetoric is rising because of this, not because everyone is just working so hard.