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Any browser on iOS must use safari browser engine (otherwise won't be approved in app store) - the same issue will arise while using Chrome or Firefox on iPhon

by pzo 5y ago

Any browser on iOS must use safari browser engine (otherwise won't be approved in app store) - the same issue will arise while using Chrome or Firefox on iPhone. Unless you can afford not support iOS/iPadOS users, devs have not choice but complain about bugs.

ajuc 5y ago
> Any browser on iOS must use safari browser engine (otherwise won't be approved in app store) How can they get away with this? That's like 10 times worse than what Microsoft was doing with ie in 00s and they got fined over it so many times.
- quenix 5y ago
  Not Safari per se. All App Store browsers must use Safari’s engine, WebKit.
- davej 5y ago
  Mostly because iOS isn’t the market leader (and they don’t want to be).
  - wayneftw 5y ago
    In the US they are the market leader in both profit and volume [0]. [0] https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/united-states-of-america https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/united-sta...
- deleted 5y ago
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- agust 5y ago
  Because this is a bit technical and regulators are not aware of it and its tremendous implications. Hopefully the anti-trust investigations in the US, the EU and other parts of the world will change that...
  - handrous 5y ago
    The "tremendous implication" is that it forces developers to test on two browsers (mobile Safari, Chrome) rather than just one. It's the only reason Google is just mostly, rather than entirely, dictating the direction of the Web.
    - bhawks 5y ago
      This thread exists because Apple didn't have a single test that creates an indexdb (or releases to users with broken tests) breaking the web and already developed sites. So foisting the blame on webdevs by calling them lazy feels a bit out of place. Apple has underinvested in Safari for years. It is clear that they have no intention in setting the direction for the web.
      - jolux 5y ago
        I think it would be bad if Chrome became the only browser worth supporting, as disappointing as it is that Safari has these problems.
        ajuc 5y ago
        Chrome 69.28% Edge 7.75% Firefox 7.48% Internet Explorer 5.21% Safari 3.71 % Why would Safari be the one that's important and not firefox? And why would it mean that Apple gets to be an asshole about it?
        jolux 5y ago
        Firefox is important too (I use Firefox on desktop and Safari on iPhones), but Safari has a much higher percentage of mobile traffic (20% iirc). Edge is re-skinned Chrome these days. As for why Apple gets to be an “asshole,” there’s no specific privilege granted, inconsistencies are just the nature of the web platform. They probably don’t devote enough resources to minimizing them, but that’s tangential.
        handrous 5y ago
- Sargos 5y ago
  There's a story about Apple abusing their power and being worse than 90s Microsoft on the front page every other day. The big problem is that there's a lot of cultish defense of Apple and as the victims are software developers and the software industry in general there's not as much visibility to the public as there otherwise would be. Thankfully a lot of the anti-trust action happening right now is focused on Apple so maybe government will help protect the software industry from Apple.

by pzo 5y ago

ajuc 5y ago

> Any browser on iOS must use safari browser engine (otherwise won't be approved in app store) How can they get away with this? That's like 10 times worse than what Microsoft was doing with ie in 00s and they got fined over it so many times.

quenix 5y ago
Not Safari per se. All App Store browsers must use Safari’s engine, WebKit.
davej 5y ago
Mostly because iOS isn’t the market leader (and they don’t want to be).
- wayneftw 5y ago
  In the US they are the market leader in both profit and volume [0]. [0] https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/united-states-of-america https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/united-sta...
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agust 5y ago
Because this is a bit technical and regulators are not aware of it and its tremendous implications. Hopefully the anti-trust investigations in the US, the EU and other parts of the world will change that...
- handrous 5y ago
  The "tremendous implication" is that it forces developers to test on two browsers (mobile Safari, Chrome) rather than just one. It's the only reason Google is just mostly, rather than entirely, dictating the direction of the Web.
  - bhawks 5y ago
    This thread exists because Apple didn't have a single test that creates an indexdb (or releases to users with broken tests) breaking the web and already developed sites. So foisting the blame on webdevs by calling them lazy feels a bit out of place. Apple has underinvested in Safari for years. It is clear that they have no intention in setting the direction for the web.
    - jolux 5y ago
      I think it would be bad if Chrome became the only browser worth supporting, as disappointing as it is that Safari has these problems.
      - ajuc 5y ago
        Chrome 69.28% Edge 7.75% Firefox 7.48% Internet Explorer 5.21% Safari 3.71 % Why would Safari be the one that's important and not firefox? And why would it mean that Apple gets to be an asshole about it?
        jolux 5y ago
        Firefox is important too (I use Firefox on desktop and Safari on iPhones), but Safari has a much higher percentage of mobile traffic (20% iirc). Edge is re-skinned Chrome these days. As for why Apple gets to be an “asshole,” there’s no specific privilege granted, inconsistencies are just the nature of the web platform. They probably don’t devote enough resources to minimizing them, but that’s tangential.
        handrous 5y ago
Sargos 5y ago
There's a story about Apple abusing their power and being worse than 90s Microsoft on the front page every other day. The big problem is that there's a lot of cultish defense of Apple and as the victims are software developers and the software industry in general there's not as much visibility to the public as there otherwise would be. Thankfully a lot of the anti-trust action happening right now is focused on Apple so maybe government will help protect the software industry from Apple.