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I don’t even know of good standards-compliant WYSIWYGs for HTML besides maybe(?) Webflow these days, and that's proprietary. I don’t know how you’d do low-code

I don’t even know of good standards-compliant WYSIWYGs for HTML besides maybe(?) Webflow these days, and that's proprietary. I don’t know how you’d do low-code anything today in any meaningful sense. Of all the people who care about automation, if there were good, viable low-code options, developers themselves would want to use them!

mywittyname 5y ago
I've used a couple of those website builders you see advertised on YouTube occasionally, and they are pretty good. You can't do complicated custom web applications with them, but that's not what they are designed for. They are designed for building nice, if generic, websites quickly. Those tools are probably what killed the market for professional WYSIWYG editors.
- PinkPigeon 5y ago
  I happen to build one of them. Have a look at https://pinkpigeon.co.uk https://pinkpigeon.co.uk and I'll check back in here to answer any questions. It's worth noting that your point is correct: a no code solution for building websites is inevitably going to be limited in terms of how much customisation someone can do, but one gains speed and ease of use on the flipside.
- foxpurple 5y ago
  For sure, square space and Wordpress themes cover almost every case things like dream weaver cover. And then you get mobile support for free which I can’t even imagine how the wysiwyg editors handle.
omnimus 5y ago
And even Webflow the value for users is mainly unified platform that includes hosting/dev environment and integrated marketplace of themes and webflow developers. It's really handy to be able to just contract anyone you just share access to. The editor itself is ok but they've solved html/css by making gui for everything. You are writing html/css and you have to learn it. You just don't realize that. Apart from some animation/interaction there is not that much magic. Give it to someone with no html/css knowledge and you get "brute force" style of writing css where everything is inlined, absolutely positioned and has all possible breakpoints for everything. But i guess thats fine for the marketing pages.

mywittyname 5y ago

I've used a couple of those website builders you see advertised on YouTube occasionally, and they are pretty good. You can't do complicated custom web applications with them, but that's not what they are designed for. They are designed for building nice, if generic, websites quickly. Those tools are probably what killed the market for professional WYSIWYG editors.

PinkPigeon 5y ago
I happen to build one of them. Have a look at https://pinkpigeon.co.uk https://pinkpigeon.co.uk and I'll check back in here to answer any questions. It's worth noting that your point is correct: a no code solution for building websites is inevitably going to be limited in terms of how much customisation someone can do, but one gains speed and ease of use on the flipside.
foxpurple 5y ago
For sure, square space and Wordpress themes cover almost every case things like dream weaver cover. And then you get mobile support for free which I can’t even imagine how the wysiwyg editors handle.

omnimus 5y ago

And even Webflow the value for users is mainly unified platform that includes hosting/dev environment and integrated marketplace of themes and webflow developers. It's really handy to be able to just contract anyone you just share access to. The editor itself is ok but they've solved html/css by making gui for everything. You are writing html/css and you have to learn it. You just don't realize that. Apart from some animation/interaction there is not that much magic. Give it to someone with no html/css knowledge and you get "brute force" style of writing css where everything is inlined, absolutely positioned and has all possible breakpoints for everything. But i guess thats fine for the marketing pages.