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They should ban traveling too because I have heard of many fake vaccine certificates...

• kayodelycaon 5y ago
  Rabies is a lot more lethal and it’s fortunately very rare in the US. The ban makes a lot of sense to me.
  • savant_penguin 5y ago
    25 cases in a decade You are more likely to die by crossing the street
    • debacle 5y ago
      I would be interested to know what it was at its peak. You have to wonder how much of the rabies "scare" of the 90s was manufactured.
    • giantg2 5y ago
      Is that globally? Or is that in the US, with restrictions/vaccinations/etc? Edit: why downvote?
      • KerrickStaley 5y ago
        From TFA: > rabies remains widespread across the world, killing some 59,000 people annually So no, 25 / year is not globally.
        • giantg2 5y ago
          That's basically my point. The restrictions and vaccinations seem to be working.
    • wearywanderer 5y ago
      Rabies cases in America are rare specifically because the authorities take it seriously. If authorities stop taking rabies seriously, expect: > An estimated 31,000 human deaths due to rabies occur annually in Asia,[2] with the majority – approximately 20,000 – concentrated in India.
      • outworlder 5y ago
        If you have been bit by a dog that cannot be located anymore, or that has an uncertain vaccination record, health care providers will initiate the rabies protocol regardless. That's one of the reasons why it is rare in the US.
    • sgustard 5y ago
      >Each year, rabies causes approximately 59,000 deaths worldwide. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/wr/mm6823e1.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/wr/mm6823e1.htm
    • kmbfjr 5y ago
      It is an absolutely horrible way to die. This may appear to be over the top for 25 cases, but should the vector be via puppies who very much chew and bite their owners, it would certainly be more than 25 cases. It is very prevalent in raccoons, squirrels and skunks — things that attract the attention of dogs. Did I mention, it is an awful way to die because of a puppy and its forged vaccination papers?
      • giantg2 5y ago
        Squirrels very rarely have it.
  • Black101 5y ago
    > Rabies is a lot more lethal which virus are you talking about?
    • thrill 5y ago
      All of them? Per the CDC, "to date less than 20 cases of human survival from clinical rabies have been documented"
      • giantg2 5y ago
        I would think HIV. It won't kill you quickly, but it will eventually contribute to one's death. There have only been maybe one or two people cured (I forget if it came back or not).
        • pessimizer 5y ago
          Once you show symptoms of rabies, you are dead in about 10 days, with 100% percent certainty. You might live 100 years after contracting HIV (we don't know because we haven't known about HIV for 100 years.)
          • giantg2 5y ago
            Sure, but some people survive rabies. You're talking lethality with a 99.9% kill rate for rabies vs 100% kill rate for HIV. They're just different timeframes. Not to mention, you are liking about symptomatic cases. It's possible to cure non symptomatic cases of rabies, but that's not possible with HIV.
            • wearywanderer 5y ago
              Somewhere on the order of 1-to-10% of people have an innate resistance to HIV. HIV, untreated, is very deadly, but not nearly as deadly as rabies.
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• giantg2 5y ago
  I think you're comment is a little over the top. But it is true that many pathogens spread through global travel. It's just that most people are either unaware of the risks or feel that they are acceptable.
  • Black101 5y ago
    It was a bit of a sarcastic comment... they should probably fix the certificates' authenticity problems instead.
    • giantg2 5y ago
      I think covid is a very poor example - it's already endemic through out the world. The real risk will be from things like zika, chikenguya, and things we don't even know about (and that we don't have vaccines or great treatments for).
  • loosescrews 5y ago
    I could be wrong, but I don't think the comment you are replying to is completely serious. I think they are saying that the disease risk of global human travel seems similar to, or higher than, the disease risk of global dog travel and that similar challenges exist. Given this, banning global dog travel and not banning global human travel seems inconsistent. If banning human travel due to disease risk is over the top, is banning dog travel over the top as well? I think the difference, as you say, is that the benefits are not equal.
    • giantg2 5y ago
      It seems the benefits of a ban would be greater with human bans.
• ggregoire 5y ago
  You don't need to be vaccinated to enter the US, you only need a negative COVID test done within 72 hours before traveling. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/international-travel-during-covid19.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/internat...
  • outworlder 5y ago
    But you do need to be vaccinated to get permanent residency. (which is an interesting requirement for those cases where the person has been living as a 'temporary resident' for years already)