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I disagree. They do for me, so we'll just have to agree to disagree. Have a nice day.

myko 5y ago
Thankfully the facts are on my side. Have a nice day yourself. If you wish to defend your position, please explain Don Jr's meeting where he's looking for help from the Russian government, trump's obstruction regarding that meeting, Manafort's working in Ukraine on behalf of Putin, and Roger Stone's involvement with guccifier 2.0/wikileaks.
- mythrwy 5y ago
  You are really doubling down on that? The facts are not on your side but the reverse. It's amazing to see in real time to be honest.
  - myko 5y ago
    Yes I am doubling down on the facts. For reference, you posted two links with no explanation as to how they supposably refute my points and have refused to backup your claim that HRC created the Russia problem for trump. Please explain: - Don Jr's meeting where he's looking for help from the Russian government - trump's obstruction regarding that meeting - Manafort's shady dealings in Ukraine on behalf of Putin - Roger Stone's involvement with guccifier 2.0/wikileaks while working directly with trump - Why you think HRC created a fake story about Russia given the facts above and the fact that even the Steele Dossier (only part of trump's Russia problem) wasn't initiated by HRC or her campaign The fact that you cannot defend these actions show the weakness of your position.
    - mythrwy 5y ago
      The Steele Dossier was paid for by a firm hired by Hillary's campaign. So essentially what you have is some weak circumstantial evidence and a campaign that tried to take advantage of existing leaks (about... what? was the information provided truthful?) and another campaign that paid to have false information compiled then leaked to the press in order to discredit a political opponent. Then, when that opponent was in office they tried to use it to overturn his presidency subverting the will of the people. In spite of your "certain" rhetoric you are clearly in the wrong on this issue, as the Mueller investigation ultimately found. But I suppose it's not worth arguing "religion" as this apparently has become, discarding reason and rationality. So as other poster says, have nice day! And I truly mean that, have great one.
      - myko 5y ago
        > The Steele Dossier was paid for by a firm hired by Hillary's campaign. Eventually, you're conveniently ignoring the fact that it was initially paid for by other concerned folks. > So essentially what you have is some weak circumstantial evidence and a campaign that tried to take advantage of existing leaks This is where your argument falls down. It isn't circumstantial evidence that Manafort worked for the Russian government's interest in Ukraine, and was convicted for work he did there. The guy he worked with fled to Russia once their ill deeds were known. Stone worked directly with wikileaks/guccifier 2.0, who were working directly with Russia. I guess you can try to say Junior was just doing what anyone would do, but his attempt to do so involved conspiring with Russia to get dirt on a political opponent - which doesn't make the Russia entanglements non-problematic. Especially considering trump then obstructed justice by lying about the meeting. > as the Mueller investigation ultimately found. Nope, the Mueller investigation was clearly an impeachment referral and documented multiple obstruction counts against the elder trump. > But I suppose it's not worth arguing "religion" as this apparently has become You are ignoring facts because that is convenient to your position, which is not backed by reality. Good day.

myko 5y ago

Thankfully the facts are on my side. Have a nice day yourself. If you wish to defend your position, please explain Don Jr's meeting where he's looking for help from the Russian government, trump's obstruction regarding that meeting, Manafort's working in Ukraine on behalf of Putin, and Roger Stone's involvement with guccifier 2.0/wikileaks.

mythrwy 5y ago
You are really doubling down on that? The facts are not on your side but the reverse. It's amazing to see in real time to be honest.
- myko 5y ago
  Yes I am doubling down on the facts. For reference, you posted two links with no explanation as to how they supposably refute my points and have refused to backup your claim that HRC created the Russia problem for trump. Please explain: - Don Jr's meeting where he's looking for help from the Russian government - trump's obstruction regarding that meeting - Manafort's shady dealings in Ukraine on behalf of Putin - Roger Stone's involvement with guccifier 2.0/wikileaks while working directly with trump - Why you think HRC created a fake story about Russia given the facts above and the fact that even the Steele Dossier (only part of trump's Russia problem) wasn't initiated by HRC or her campaign The fact that you cannot defend these actions show the weakness of your position.
  - mythrwy 5y ago
    The Steele Dossier was paid for by a firm hired by Hillary's campaign. So essentially what you have is some weak circumstantial evidence and a campaign that tried to take advantage of existing leaks (about... what? was the information provided truthful?) and another campaign that paid to have false information compiled then leaked to the press in order to discredit a political opponent. Then, when that opponent was in office they tried to use it to overturn his presidency subverting the will of the people. In spite of your "certain" rhetoric you are clearly in the wrong on this issue, as the Mueller investigation ultimately found. But I suppose it's not worth arguing "religion" as this apparently has become, discarding reason and rationality. So as other poster says, have nice day! And I truly mean that, have great one.
    - myko 5y ago
      > The Steele Dossier was paid for by a firm hired by Hillary's campaign. Eventually, you're conveniently ignoring the fact that it was initially paid for by other concerned folks. > So essentially what you have is some weak circumstantial evidence and a campaign that tried to take advantage of existing leaks This is where your argument falls down. It isn't circumstantial evidence that Manafort worked for the Russian government's interest in Ukraine, and was convicted for work he did there. The guy he worked with fled to Russia once their ill deeds were known. Stone worked directly with wikileaks/guccifier 2.0, who were working directly with Russia. I guess you can try to say Junior was just doing what anyone would do, but his attempt to do so involved conspiring with Russia to get dirt on a political opponent - which doesn't make the Russia entanglements non-problematic. Especially considering trump then obstructed justice by lying about the meeting. > as the Mueller investigation ultimately found. Nope, the Mueller investigation was clearly an impeachment referral and documented multiple obstruction counts against the elder trump. > But I suppose it's not worth arguing "religion" as this apparently has become You are ignoring facts because that is convenient to your position, which is not backed by reality. Good day.