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this is a very long and weird sentence and I don't really understand what you're getting at

wyldfire 5y ago
I think they're referring to Greenwald. I'm guessing this describes the interaction [1]. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2014/05/14/edward-snowden-sent-glenn-greenwald-this-video-guide-about-encryption-for-journalists-greenwald-ignored-it/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2014/05/14...
- d1str0 5y ago
  Greenwald left the intercept though quite a while ago so this is all very confusing.
  - comodore_ 5y ago
    he had no part in the reality winner debacle, as did laura poitras who eventually did get fired of it
    - varjag 5y ago
      No, he stated he had no part in her debacle. How plausible is that he wasn't involved in handling a major leak from NSA at his rag is left as an exercise.
- comodore_ 5y ago
  thanks, I think the headline can be misleading, he ignored his mails that contained a guide to set encryption and not ignored setting up encryption out of carelessness and exchanged sensitive stuff.
  - Cullinet 5y ago
    if $rando_journo did the same, I'm pretty sure that under the UK Official Secrets Act failure of a inescapable duty of care that takes effect from the minute you believe that you are handling classified material, makes the deriliction of protective measures a serious crime. The UK used to be blanket overkill, however some things must have loosened up because Johnson wed in a Catholic Church and I have no doubt that any affiliations to any religion not Anglican / Church of England, was treason even in Tony Blair's day, and possibly the reason why his ministers seem to concur in memoirs Tony wasn't running the show. I upset who they said was. But looking at this as a human being, if I'm still capable, I am just not capable of understanding anyone who wants to deal in state secrets with so little care. I have been pounded into a unrecognisable life by nonsense not incomparable and the only result has been a hardening of my views on the punishment for genuine traitors and wastrels with the security of others.
- waterhouse 5y ago
  Greenwald says[1]: "The most egregious, but by no means only, example of exploiting my name to evade responsibility was the Reality Winner debacle. As The New York Times recently reported[2], that was a story in which I had no involvement whatsoever. While based in Brazil, I was never asked to work on the documents which Winner sent to our New York newsroom with no request that any specific journalist work on them. I did not even learn of the existence of that document until very shortly prior to its publication. The person who oversaw, edited and controlled that story was Betsy Reed, which was how it should be given the magnitude and complexity of that reporting and her position as editor-in-chief." [1] https://greenwald.substack.com/p/my-resignation-from-the-intercept https://greenwald.substack.com/p/my-resignation-from-the-int... [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/13/business/media/the-intercept-source-reality-winner.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/13/business/media/the-interc...
  - varjag 5y ago
    Take credit for success, blame underlings for failure… it's Greenwald alright.
    - waterhouse 5y ago
      If you don't believe Greenwald, try the NYT article. Ms. Winner may have thought she was mailing the documents to Mr. Greenwald and Ms. Poitras, who went to great lengths to protect Mr. Snowden. But Mr. Greenwald was in Brazil and when he heard about the document, he was not interested. ... Ms. Reed and her deputy, Roger Hodge, gave the story to a pair of established television journalists: Matthew Cole and Richard Esposito. ... Mr. Cole put the document in his bag and got on a train to New York. ... Later, he called a source in the intelligence community in an attempt to verify the document, and casually revealed its postmark. ... Mr. Cole and Mr. Esposito said they’d been pushed to rush the story to publication, but Mr. Cole also acknowledged that failing to consult with the security team was a “face plant.” ... And so a key question was who to blame for this catastrophe and what consequences they should suffer. Ms. Dombek, who helped conduct the internal investigation, concluded that the editors — Ms. Reed and Mr. Hodge — needed to take responsibility. Others, including Mr. Greenwald, were demanding that Mr. Cole and Ms. Reed be fired, and The Intercept provide a public reckoning. (Mr. Greenwald later relented, and said he understood the desire not to “scapegoat” for an institutional failure.)
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> this is a very long and weird sentence Looks programmatically generated. The whole account is the same style of incoherent nonsense. Probably powered by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPT-3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPT-3 There's a few other accounts I've seen here on HN that just spout random incoherent nonsense text, presumably to accumulate karma so they can power their sockpuppet ring and upvote any story they wish to the frontpage of HN.
- mike_d 5y ago
  Never attribute to GPT-3 that which can be easily explained by mental illness. Seriously though, that sentence contains a lot of relevant context and understanding that would rival LaMDA. :)
  - stuntkite 5y ago
    Mental illness, intense boredom, weird autistic sense of humor, or being absolutely serious at being a network fuzzing troll farm. It's not fair to put such a fine point on it really.
- xwolfi 5y ago
  What? What are you, a tinfoil hat prepper ? You too speak like a machine it's scary. What's a sockpupper ring :D

I think they're referring to Greenwald. I'm guessing this describes the interaction [1]. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2014/05/14/edward-snowden-sent-glenn-greenwald-this-video-guide-about-encryption-for-journalists-greenwald-ignored-it/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2014/05/14...

d1str0 5y ago
Greenwald left the intercept though quite a while ago so this is all very confusing.
- comodore_ 5y ago
  he had no part in the reality winner debacle, as did laura poitras who eventually did get fired of it
  - varjag 5y ago
    No, he stated he had no part in her debacle. How plausible is that he wasn't involved in handling a major leak from NSA at his rag is left as an exercise.
comodore_ 5y ago
thanks, I think the headline can be misleading, he ignored his mails that contained a guide to set encryption and not ignored setting up encryption out of carelessness and exchanged sensitive stuff.
- Cullinet 5y ago
  if $rando_journo did the same, I'm pretty sure that under the UK Official Secrets Act failure of a inescapable duty of care that takes effect from the minute you believe that you are handling classified material, makes the deriliction of protective measures a serious crime. The UK used to be blanket overkill, however some things must have loosened up because Johnson wed in a Catholic Church and I have no doubt that any affiliations to any religion not Anglican / Church of England, was treason even in Tony Blair's day, and possibly the reason why his ministers seem to concur in memoirs Tony wasn't running the show. I upset who they said was. But looking at this as a human being, if I'm still capable, I am just not capable of understanding anyone who wants to deal in state secrets with so little care. I have been pounded into a unrecognisable life by nonsense not incomparable and the only result has been a hardening of my views on the punishment for genuine traitors and wastrels with the security of others.
waterhouse 5y ago
Greenwald says[1]: "The most egregious, but by no means only, example of exploiting my name to evade responsibility was the Reality Winner debacle. As The New York Times recently reported[2], that was a story in which I had no involvement whatsoever. While based in Brazil, I was never asked to work on the documents which Winner sent to our New York newsroom with no request that any specific journalist work on them. I did not even learn of the existence of that document until very shortly prior to its publication. The person who oversaw, edited and controlled that story was Betsy Reed, which was how it should be given the magnitude and complexity of that reporting and her position as editor-in-chief." [1] https://greenwald.substack.com/p/my-resignation-from-the-intercept https://greenwald.substack.com/p/my-resignation-from-the-int... [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/13/business/media/the-intercept-source-reality-winner.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/13/business/media/the-interc...
- varjag 5y ago
  Take credit for success, blame underlings for failure… it's Greenwald alright.
  - waterhouse 5y ago
    If you don't believe Greenwald, try the NYT article. Ms. Winner may have thought she was mailing the documents to Mr. Greenwald and Ms. Poitras, who went to great lengths to protect Mr. Snowden. But Mr. Greenwald was in Brazil and when he heard about the document, he was not interested. ... Ms. Reed and her deputy, Roger Hodge, gave the story to a pair of established television journalists: Matthew Cole and Richard Esposito. ... Mr. Cole put the document in his bag and got on a train to New York. ... Later, he called a source in the intelligence community in an attempt to verify the document, and casually revealed its postmark. ... Mr. Cole and Mr. Esposito said they’d been pushed to rush the story to publication, but Mr. Cole also acknowledged that failing to consult with the security team was a “face plant.” ... And so a key question was who to blame for this catastrophe and what consequences they should suffer. Ms. Dombek, who helped conduct the internal investigation, concluded that the editors — Ms. Reed and Mr. Hodge — needed to take responsibility. Others, including Mr. Greenwald, were demanding that Mr. Cole and Ms. Reed be fired, and The Intercept provide a public reckoning. (Mr. Greenwald later relented, and said he understood the desire not to “scapegoat” for an institutional failure.)

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> this is a very long and weird sentence Looks programmatically generated. The whole account is the same style of incoherent nonsense. Probably powered by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPT-3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPT-3 There's a few other accounts I've seen here on HN that just spout random incoherent nonsense text, presumably to accumulate karma so they can power their sockpuppet ring and upvote any story they wish to the frontpage of HN.

mike_d 5y ago
Never attribute to GPT-3 that which can be easily explained by mental illness. Seriously though, that sentence contains a lot of relevant context and understanding that would rival LaMDA. :)
- stuntkite 5y ago
  Mental illness, intense boredom, weird autistic sense of humor, or being absolutely serious at being a network fuzzing troll farm. It's not fair to put such a fine point on it really.
xwolfi 5y ago
What? What are you, a tinfoil hat prepper ? You too speak like a machine it's scary. What's a sockpupper ring :D