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I really hate grouping everyone like this. I consider myself left but you were arguing with a moron. I was under the impression in liberal democracy, even up un

I really hate grouping everyone like this. I consider myself left but you were arguing with a moron. I was under the impression in liberal democracy, even up until maybe 2015 treating an individual as an example of all individuals from that group was considered reprehensible for obvious reasons, i.e. you will end up saying racist or sexist things. The more general rule, to treat everyone on the content of their individual character, is an important one in my upbringing and I would like a return to these values. Currently everyone is being forced, on left or right, to have it assumed that they occupy absurd extremist positions. I do admit these people are on the rise, but I’m not sure inflating their importance (they are seeking attention in a lot of cases) is helping.

throwaway894345 5y ago
> you were arguing with a moron I'm inclined to agree, but increasingly these "morons" are more numerous and more likely to occupy positions of power and authority. > I was under the impression in liberal democracy even up until maybe 2015 treating an individual as an example of all individuals from that group was considered reprehensible for obvious reasons, i.e. you will end up saying racist or sexist things. Yeah, me too. > The more general rule I would like back because everyone is being forced on left or right have it assumed that they occupy absurd positions. I'm having a hard time parsing this sentence, could you rephrase/clarify?
- andy_ppp 5y ago
  Okay! Lot’s of clarity added… For what it’s worth we have the same amount of morons just the Internet has given them means to organise and communicate and people like Steve Bannon to weave in a bit of ethnic-nationalism into the minds of the public.
  - throwaway894345 5y ago
    > For what it’s worth we have the same amount of morons just the Internet has given them means to organise and communicate That seems concerning enough on its own, but that property ("means to organize and communicate") has knock-on effects: those morons become even more extreme and they come to occupy positions of power and authority in even greater numbers. Once upon a time you had millions of village idiots whose views were moderated by their community and the talking heads on TV, and they were typically blue-collar, uneducated, and had no real power or authority. Now because of the ability to communicate with each other, they develop echo chambers that radicalize their viewpoints. On top of that, they organize, such that the administer universities, overwhelm newsrooms, and lead DEI departments in every major company in the country.

throwaway894345 5y ago

> you were arguing with a moron I'm inclined to agree, but increasingly these "morons" are more numerous and more likely to occupy positions of power and authority. > I was under the impression in liberal democracy even up until maybe 2015 treating an individual as an example of all individuals from that group was considered reprehensible for obvious reasons, i.e. you will end up saying racist or sexist things. Yeah, me too. > The more general rule I would like back because everyone is being forced on left or right have it assumed that they occupy absurd positions. I'm having a hard time parsing this sentence, could you rephrase/clarify?

andy_ppp 5y ago
Okay! Lot’s of clarity added… For what it’s worth we have the same amount of morons just the Internet has given them means to organise and communicate and people like Steve Bannon to weave in a bit of ethnic-nationalism into the minds of the public.
- throwaway894345 5y ago
  > For what it’s worth we have the same amount of morons just the Internet has given them means to organise and communicate That seems concerning enough on its own, but that property ("means to organize and communicate") has knock-on effects: those morons become even more extreme and they come to occupy positions of power and authority in even greater numbers. Once upon a time you had millions of village idiots whose views were moderated by their community and the talking heads on TV, and they were typically blue-collar, uneducated, and had no real power or authority. Now because of the ability to communicate with each other, they develop echo chambers that radicalize their viewpoints. On top of that, they organize, such that the administer universities, overwhelm newsrooms, and lead DEI departments in every major company in the country.