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He literally psyched a crowd up into a fervor after months of lying and then they marched on the Capitol. His own people were sickened by his giddiness during t

by myko 5y ago

He literally psyched a crowd up into a fervor after months of lying and then they marched on the Capitol. His own people were sickened by his giddiness during the event. He was telling his VP to install him as POTUS and tweeted as much. The same guy has been telling folks he plans to be reinstated in August. You can lie to yourself about it but you're not going to get far lying to others.

Impassionata 5y ago
Might get far enough: this entire thread is flagged.
- myko 5y ago
  Well, that's frustrating.
  - Impassionata 5y ago
    Once you only care about silencing those who would point out fascism, it becomes easy enough. Watchful moderation willing to act is necessary. I'm unsurprised that HN is being exploited this way, but I am pleasantly surprised that there are people seeing them in operation like yourself and the others speaking up. The truth gets buried, ultimately, not by these bad-faith arguments, but by the giant thread above consisting of those who prefer to live in the world of the 90s where Republicans and Democrats worked to further their specific interests collectively in an organized fashion, and listening to both sides made sense. I don't know if the memo is going to get out: those Republicans are gone. Those days are gone. Once the party has turned fascist I don't think there's going back, it's not like they can turn away from their deceived or delusional voters. HN isn't a politics forum, its only function is to provide value for YCombinator. It can't address these foundational failures in human thinking. But it's informative to see it struggle and fail.
    - myfavoritedog 5y ago
      Once the party has turned fascist Says the supporter of the party that literally used impeachment twice to try to get rid of a President they didn't like. Says the supporter of the party that is big into political correctness in order to control what people say and how they say it. Says the supporter of the party that is canceling people who don't toe the party line. Says the supporter of the party that controls academia, the mainstream media, and social media - where censorship abuses are an ever-increasing problem. Says the supporter of the party that did billions of dollars of damage to cities across the country last year in looting, rioting, arson, and vandalism. Says the supporter of the party that is actively trying to prosecute the most recent opposition party leader. No charges, just hunting for a crime. Says the supporter of the party that raided the private attorney of the most recent opposition party leader to seize privileged attorney-client communications, based upon normally ignored FARA accusations. If there is a political party in the USA flirting with fascism, it's the Democratic party.
      - myko 5y ago
        > Says the supporter of the party that literally used impeachment twice to try to get rid of a President they didn't like. He deserved to be impeached, claiming otherwise shows your lack of judgement. > If there is a political party in the USA flirting with fascism, it's the Democratic party. Says the person defending the guy who tried a coup against the USA The previous POTUS deserves to be in jail, like his lawyer who went to jail for crimes ordered by him, and multiple members of his team who committed crimes on his behalf (only to be pardoned by him).
        dang 5y ago
        Please keep political flamewars off HN. This whole subthread is wretched and the sort of thing we're trying to avoid here. You guys have the rest of the internet if that's what you want. Also, personal attacks are not ok and will get you banned here, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. You did that in multiple places in this thread. Please don't. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: actually you've been posting so many personal attacks that I've almost banned your account. I decided not to, because you've been here for 10 years, but if you want to continue to comment here we need you to stop doing this, and stop adding to political flamewars generally. You may not owe (or feel you owe) your political enemies better, but you owe this community much better if you're participating in it. No more of this please.
    - dang 5y ago
      Please keep political flamewars off HN. This whole subthread is wretched and the sort of thing we're trying to avoid here. You guys have the rest of the internet if that's what you want. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: it turns out that your account has been using HN primarily for political battle. That's not allowed, and I've banned the account. We do that regardless of what politics you're battling for, because it destroys this place for its intended purpose. Please don't create accounts to do that with. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll use HN as intended in the future.

by myko 5y ago

Impassionata 5y ago

Might get far enough: this entire thread is flagged.

myko 5y ago
Well, that's frustrating.
- Impassionata 5y ago
  Once you only care about silencing those who would point out fascism, it becomes easy enough. Watchful moderation willing to act is necessary. I'm unsurprised that HN is being exploited this way, but I am pleasantly surprised that there are people seeing them in operation like yourself and the others speaking up. The truth gets buried, ultimately, not by these bad-faith arguments, but by the giant thread above consisting of those who prefer to live in the world of the 90s where Republicans and Democrats worked to further their specific interests collectively in an organized fashion, and listening to both sides made sense. I don't know if the memo is going to get out: those Republicans are gone. Those days are gone. Once the party has turned fascist I don't think there's going back, it's not like they can turn away from their deceived or delusional voters. HN isn't a politics forum, its only function is to provide value for YCombinator. It can't address these foundational failures in human thinking. But it's informative to see it struggle and fail.
  - myfavoritedog 5y ago
    Once the party has turned fascist Says the supporter of the party that literally used impeachment twice to try to get rid of a President they didn't like. Says the supporter of the party that is big into political correctness in order to control what people say and how they say it. Says the supporter of the party that is canceling people who don't toe the party line. Says the supporter of the party that controls academia, the mainstream media, and social media - where censorship abuses are an ever-increasing problem. Says the supporter of the party that did billions of dollars of damage to cities across the country last year in looting, rioting, arson, and vandalism. Says the supporter of the party that is actively trying to prosecute the most recent opposition party leader. No charges, just hunting for a crime. Says the supporter of the party that raided the private attorney of the most recent opposition party leader to seize privileged attorney-client communications, based upon normally ignored FARA accusations. If there is a political party in the USA flirting with fascism, it's the Democratic party.
    - myko 5y ago
      > Says the supporter of the party that literally used impeachment twice to try to get rid of a President they didn't like. He deserved to be impeached, claiming otherwise shows your lack of judgement. > If there is a political party in the USA flirting with fascism, it's the Democratic party. Says the person defending the guy who tried a coup against the USA The previous POTUS deserves to be in jail, like his lawyer who went to jail for crimes ordered by him, and multiple members of his team who committed crimes on his behalf (only to be pardoned by him).
      - dang 5y ago
        Please keep political flamewars off HN. This whole subthread is wretched and the sort of thing we're trying to avoid here. You guys have the rest of the internet if that's what you want. Also, personal attacks are not ok and will get you banned here, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. You did that in multiple places in this thread. Please don't. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: actually you've been posting so many personal attacks that I've almost banned your account. I decided not to, because you've been here for 10 years, but if you want to continue to comment here we need you to stop doing this, and stop adding to political flamewars generally. You may not owe (or feel you owe) your political enemies better, but you owe this community much better if you're participating in it. No more of this please.
  - dang 5y ago
    Please keep political flamewars off HN. This whole subthread is wretched and the sort of thing we're trying to avoid here. You guys have the rest of the internet if that's what you want. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: it turns out that your account has been using HN primarily for political battle. That's not allowed, and I've banned the account. We do that regardless of what politics you're battling for, because it destroys this place for its intended purpose. Please don't create accounts to do that with. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll use HN as intended in the future.