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What I continue to be surprised by is how the left-leaning sources keep denying their liberal bias. Fox news more or less admits to being right-leaning, but CN

What I continue to be surprised by is how the left-leaning sources keep denying their liberal bias. Fox news more or less admits to being right-leaning, but CNN is still insisting that they're unbiased, which is almost comical. I think that somehow left-biased types really, honestly, believe they're actually considering both sides of every issue, and just coming to the conclusion that "reality has a liberal bias".

myko 5y ago
CNN isn't biased to the liberal or conservative viewpoint, it is biased towards clicks and views. A lot of the blame for trump gaining acceptance as a viable voting option belongs to CNN for uncritically promoting him and giving him coverage. When looking at US politics reality does have a liberal bias. Look at how conservatives handled the pandemic and losing the 2020 election. The minority party with a majority of the voting power in the US actively believes and promotes a false version of reality.
- andreygrehov 5y ago
  I'm not a voter, but isn't 51% vs 47% is basically a flip of a coin result?
  - myko 5y ago
    Raw vote totals tell a different story (millions more vote for Democratic candidates, even when the Democrats lose), the fact is that the GOP can win federal elections because land has more voting power than people
- newfriend 5y ago
  > CNN isn't biased to the liberal or conservative viewpoint, it is biased towards clicks and views. Bullshit. CNN is in the tank for the corporate wing of the Democratic party. > A lot of the blame for trump gaining acceptance as a viable voting option belongs to CNN for *uncritically promoting* him and giving him coverage. Absolute bullshit. You believe CNN was pro-Trump in 2015/2016? Every single story/show was about how terrible he is. > a false version of reality. I think you're the one with a false version of reality if you believe CNN was/is pro-Trump.
  - myko 5y ago
    > Bullshit. CNN is in the tank for the corporate wing of the Democratic party. Bullshit. CNN repeatedly focused on trump to the detriment of other candidates because he generated clicks and views. > Absolute bullshit. You believe CNN was pro-Trump in 2015/2016? Every single story/show was about how terrible he is. It's hard to report on him without it being obvious how terrible he is. Most of the reporting in 2015/16 were about his zany antics, in your face racism, and sexual assault admissions - but still free airtime. > I think you're the one with a false version of reality if you believe CNN was/is pro-Trump. I said they're pro-clicks and views, and trump was a vehicle for that, which helped him get elected. You should work on reading comprehension.
    - NaturalPhallacy 5y ago
      Even NPR admits the coverage was more negative. And no, not more negative because he was worse, more negative in an unfair way: https://www.npr.org/2017/10/02/555092743/study-news-coverage-of-trump-more-negative-than-for-other-presidents https://www.npr.org/2017/10/02/555092743/study-news-coverage...
      - myko 5y ago
        As I said, it is impossible to report on trump without being somewhat negative because very little that he did could be spun in a positive manner. This doesn't justify keeping a camera on his empty podium at one of his rallies while other candidates are giving speeches. Clicks, and views. Also your post doesn't really match what you claim it does - in no way does NPR admit that the coverage was unfairly negative. It seems to say it was negative because trump had little substance to his policies and there weren't many positive things to say about the job he did. Which makes sense given the results of his presidency (coup attempt, many convicted associates pardoned, hundreds of thousands dead due to incompetence/lying, economic collapse, destruction of American family farming, etc.)
dragonwriter 5y ago
> What I continue to be surprised by is how the left-leaning sources keep denying their liberal bias There are no left-leaning major news outlets in the US (the nature of capitalism assures that; you can’t get the kind of capitalist backing for anti-capitalist positions required to be a major media source), only far-right and center-right, and even the center-right ones treat targets to their left much worse than those their right. And if there was a left-leaning outlet, their bias would be left, not liberal. > Fox news more or less admits to being right-leaning Only recently, in the Trump era, did Fox drop “Fair and Balanced” for “Standing Up For What's Right”. > but CNN is still insisting that they're unbiased That's because Fox is marketing to people who see themselves as on the Right and CNN is marketing to people who identify as centrist, non-ideological, or above the fray (who are largely the pro-status quo center-right.) Both label according to the identity group they are marketing to.

myko 5y ago

CNN isn't biased to the liberal or conservative viewpoint, it is biased towards clicks and views. A lot of the blame for trump gaining acceptance as a viable voting option belongs to CNN for uncritically promoting him and giving him coverage. When looking at US politics reality does have a liberal bias. Look at how conservatives handled the pandemic and losing the 2020 election. The minority party with a majority of the voting power in the US actively believes and promotes a false version of reality.

andreygrehov 5y ago
I'm not a voter, but isn't 51% vs 47% is basically a flip of a coin result?
- myko 5y ago
  Raw vote totals tell a different story (millions more vote for Democratic candidates, even when the Democrats lose), the fact is that the GOP can win federal elections because land has more voting power than people
newfriend 5y ago
> CNN isn't biased to the liberal or conservative viewpoint, it is biased towards clicks and views. Bullshit. CNN is in the tank for the corporate wing of the Democratic party. > A lot of the blame for trump gaining acceptance as a viable voting option belongs to CNN for *uncritically promoting* him and giving him coverage. Absolute bullshit. You believe CNN was pro-Trump in 2015/2016? Every single story/show was about how terrible he is. > a false version of reality. I think you're the one with a false version of reality if you believe CNN was/is pro-Trump.
- myko 5y ago
  > Bullshit. CNN is in the tank for the corporate wing of the Democratic party. Bullshit. CNN repeatedly focused on trump to the detriment of other candidates because he generated clicks and views. > Absolute bullshit. You believe CNN was pro-Trump in 2015/2016? Every single story/show was about how terrible he is. It's hard to report on him without it being obvious how terrible he is. Most of the reporting in 2015/16 were about his zany antics, in your face racism, and sexual assault admissions - but still free airtime. > I think you're the one with a false version of reality if you believe CNN was/is pro-Trump. I said they're pro-clicks and views, and trump was a vehicle for that, which helped him get elected. You should work on reading comprehension.
  - NaturalPhallacy 5y ago
    Even NPR admits the coverage was more negative. And no, not more negative because he was worse, more negative in an unfair way: https://www.npr.org/2017/10/02/555092743/study-news-coverage-of-trump-more-negative-than-for-other-presidents https://www.npr.org/2017/10/02/555092743/study-news-coverage...
    - myko 5y ago
      As I said, it is impossible to report on trump without being somewhat negative because very little that he did could be spun in a positive manner. This doesn't justify keeping a camera on his empty podium at one of his rallies while other candidates are giving speeches. Clicks, and views. Also your post doesn't really match what you claim it does - in no way does NPR admit that the coverage was unfairly negative. It seems to say it was negative because trump had little substance to his policies and there weren't many positive things to say about the job he did. Which makes sense given the results of his presidency (coup attempt, many convicted associates pardoned, hundreds of thousands dead due to incompetence/lying, economic collapse, destruction of American family farming, etc.)

dragonwriter 5y ago

> What I continue to be surprised by is how the left-leaning sources keep denying their liberal bias There are no left-leaning major news outlets in the US (the nature of capitalism assures that; you can’t get the kind of capitalist backing for anti-capitalist positions required to be a major media source), only far-right and center-right, and even the center-right ones treat targets to their left much worse than those their right. And if there was a left-leaning outlet, their bias would be left, not liberal. > Fox news more or less admits to being right-leaning Only recently, in the Trump era, did Fox drop “Fair and Balanced” for “Standing Up For What's Right”. > but CNN is still insisting that they're unbiased That's because Fox is marketing to people who see themselves as on the Right and CNN is marketing to people who identify as centrist, non-ideological, or above the fray (who are largely the pro-status quo center-right.) Both label according to the identity group they are marketing to.