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>such a law does nothing against proper criminals. People that know they have incriminating evidence will either not carry it on their phones or uses some form

>such a law does nothing against proper criminals. People that know they have incriminating evidence will either not carry it on their phones or uses some form of steganography to hide it perfectly. I oppose such a law, as it appears to be very poorly written, but it's pure fantasy that criminals won't do crime via their phones, or will use some sort of advanced steg. Maybe some very talented criminals will do such things, but most criminals are just people: they either don't understand technology well, or else simply engage in risky behaviors.

ggggtez 5y ago
I agree. Most criminals are not very bright, and in the case of large organized crime, you still need to be able to communicate with employees that aren't very bright. Custom stenography comes at a cost to your organization in terms of troubleshooting and reliability... The drug dealers are probably just using whatever encrypted app they hear works well, which is why there was that big successful sting using an FBI controlled app recently.
- Krasnol 5y ago
  > I agree. Most criminals are not very bright, The bright ones are not being caught and therefore not on the list of criminals.
  - cwkoss 5y ago
    Laws are so arcane and complex that most people have violated some law if you look hard enough. Ex. "More than 70 percent of American adults have committed a crime that could lead to imprisonment." https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2014/dec/08/stephen-carter/watch-out-70-us-have-done-something-could-put-us-j/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2014/dec/08/stephen-ca...
    - Krasnol 5y ago
      Alright, let's say: "not on the list of criminals relevant for the topic".
- vixen99 5y ago
  Criminals not very bright? If this is true there seem to be an awful lot of bright ones in Britain. "A suspect was charged in 7.8% of crimes recorded in England and Wales in the year to March 2019, down from 9.1% the previous year".
  - cwkoss 5y ago
    Most cops aren't very bright either.
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- d110af5ccf 5y ago
  That was far more than just some encrypted messaging app. It was custom secure hardware running on its own (tunneled) network. The manufacturer and operator turned out to be law enforcement in this case though ...
kebman 5y ago
Food for thought: Attending a diplomatic dinner where EU liaisons from various police forces were also present, the head investigator of that country—which I shall not name—told me that their country's biggest outflow of crime to other European countries, were high tech economic crime such as card skimming, money laundry, and white collar crimes. I.e. things that require at least some technical understanding to perform.

ggggtez 5y ago

I agree. Most criminals are not very bright, and in the case of large organized crime, you still need to be able to communicate with employees that aren't very bright. Custom stenography comes at a cost to your organization in terms of troubleshooting and reliability... The drug dealers are probably just using whatever encrypted app they hear works well, which is why there was that big successful sting using an FBI controlled app recently.

Krasnol 5y ago
> I agree. Most criminals are not very bright, The bright ones are not being caught and therefore not on the list of criminals.
- cwkoss 5y ago
  Laws are so arcane and complex that most people have violated some law if you look hard enough. Ex. "More than 70 percent of American adults have committed a crime that could lead to imprisonment." https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2014/dec/08/stephen-carter/watch-out-70-us-have-done-something-could-put-us-j/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2014/dec/08/stephen-ca...
  - Krasnol 5y ago
    Alright, let's say: "not on the list of criminals relevant for the topic".
vixen99 5y ago
Criminals not very bright? If this is true there seem to be an awful lot of bright ones in Britain. "A suspect was charged in 7.8% of crimes recorded in England and Wales in the year to March 2019, down from 9.1% the previous year".
- cwkoss 5y ago
  Most cops aren't very bright either.
- deleted 5y ago
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d110af5ccf 5y ago
That was far more than just some encrypted messaging app. It was custom secure hardware running on its own (tunneled) network. The manufacturer and operator turned out to be law enforcement in this case though ...

kebman 5y ago

Food for thought: Attending a diplomatic dinner where EU liaisons from various police forces were also present, the head investigator of that country—which I shall not name—told me that their country's biggest outflow of crime to other European countries, were high tech economic crime such as card skimming, money laundry, and white collar crimes. I.e. things that require at least some technical understanding to perform.