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Yeah, no. You can't sell energy that you are not producing and the EPR in France and the UK is still not running. Just check the price in EUR/kWh and start to w

by iSnow 5y ago

Yeah, no. You can't sell energy that you are not producing and the EPR in France and the UK is still not running. Just check the price in EUR/kWh and start to weep. I'm not in principle against nuclear, but it's just not economically feasible to run on full nuclear, not when renewables are much cheaper.

wazoox 5y ago
Renewable can't provide energy on demand. They work only as long as you have an equivalent alternate source for times with no wind or no sun. A grid running 100% on renewables isn't physically feasible, or at a prohibitively expensive price.
- iSnow 5y ago
  That doesn't make nuclear any more feasible. Hinkley Point C is estimated to cost $32.5 bn and is expected to take 18y from go-ahead till operation. You'd need 15 NPPs of the same class to satisfy the UK's electricity demand at close to 100% utilization ratio. That's $4.9tn or 150% of the UK's GDP, just in capex. And there's no way EDF could simply build 15 of the things till 2030 or 2050 or whatever our climate goals for decarbonisation demand. And please don't reply with "it's getting a lot cheaper if we build more" - that has never really worked for nuclear.
  - wazoox 5y ago
    You know the Chinese successfully built and run 2 EPRs already, right?
    - iSnow 5y ago
      I know that, good for them. One just got classified a radionuclear threat, EDF is complaining about the hush-up the Chinese authorities are conducting and running to Washington so they are allowed to fix it. In Europe, three are unfinished, have brutal cost overrun and are late. And in contrast to China, European NPP operators are at least transparent. Our whole discussion, you are not ONCE acknowledging I just MIGHT have a point or countering them, you are constantly moving the goalposts or deflecting. And with that kind of bad faith discussion style, count me out. Good day to you, Sir.

by iSnow 5y ago

wazoox 5y ago

Renewable can't provide energy on demand. They work only as long as you have an equivalent alternate source for times with no wind or no sun. A grid running 100% on renewables isn't physically feasible, or at a prohibitively expensive price.

iSnow 5y ago
That doesn't make nuclear any more feasible. Hinkley Point C is estimated to cost $32.5 bn and is expected to take 18y from go-ahead till operation. You'd need 15 NPPs of the same class to satisfy the UK's electricity demand at close to 100% utilization ratio. That's $4.9tn or 150% of the UK's GDP, just in capex. And there's no way EDF could simply build 15 of the things till 2030 or 2050 or whatever our climate goals for decarbonisation demand. And please don't reply with "it's getting a lot cheaper if we build more" - that has never really worked for nuclear.
- wazoox 5y ago
  You know the Chinese successfully built and run 2 EPRs already, right?
  - iSnow 5y ago
    I know that, good for them. One just got classified a radionuclear threat, EDF is complaining about the hush-up the Chinese authorities are conducting and running to Washington so they are allowed to fix it. In Europe, three are unfinished, have brutal cost overrun and are late. And in contrast to China, European NPP operators are at least transparent. Our whole discussion, you are not ONCE acknowledging I just MIGHT have a point or countering them, you are constantly moving the goalposts or deflecting. And with that kind of bad faith discussion style, count me out. Good day to you, Sir.