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how are mobile notifications on the web going for iOS?

anonymouse008 5y ago
Said it in another thread -- SMS's are a tangibly better user experience. You get to say stop in the moment, instead of searching through opaque settings... you can set DND to certain numbers for certain times... The whole ecosystem is there and very few are playing with it.
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  Any iOS notification permits you to "say stop in the moment" - you just swipe on the notification and select "Manage". The options are pretty well thought-out.
  - anonymouse008 5y ago
    That's actually a whole different user flow -- you leave the notification to enter a separate system of controls with esoteric commands, over just typing what you want to happen.. "Stop" - forever until I want you back "Stop this week" - self-explanatory "Not during work hours" - also ^ "Consolidate weekly" - get a digest "I don't care" - make better suggestions So many contextual pieces to make better notifications are right there... and though a toggle button appears to be 'easier' the cognitive dissonance is less the conversational environment of SMS.
    - ceejayoz 5y ago
      Texting "stop this week" will stop SMSes from that number forever because of the STOP keyword. I've never seen any SMS system that would correctly interpret and adjust to things like "not during work hours" or "consolidate weekly" responses.
      - anonymouse008 5y ago
        > I've never seen any SMS system that would correctly interpret and adjust to things like "not during work hours" or "consolidate weekly" responses. I know!! I built a stupid simple bot for myself that just reminds me of things I want in SMS form... I text it things like 'For tomorrow - x, y, z' and then 9am the next day it messages with what's behind '-'... There's a bit of configuration the first time you text the bot, for timezones and things like what does tomorrow afternoon mean to me? 2pm or 3pm? If multiple 'tomorrow afternoons come' do you want that as a digest or just individually, or w/e. But for me, I love it because I forget things so quickly, so as I quickly as I can send a text, I can get reminded at an appropriate time. (and yes, I hate reminder apps.) I'm still struggling how to keep it 'safe' - because Twilio keeps all the message data in plain text (more a byproduct of SMS) and holds a record of it, so while I can encrypt the db entries, I'm not sure how to make it 'secure' for other folks yet.
- flixic 5y ago
  SMS messages are probably 1000x to 100 000x more expensive to send than push notifications.
  - anonymouse008 5y ago
    Sounds like better incentives for customers.
  - easrng 5y ago
    Push is free, assuming you have network connectivity, and 100000*0 is still 0.
    - iudqnolq 5y ago
      Edit: Totally wrong You need to buy from apple/google if you want battery efficiency, as you want to be included in the one persistent channel the OS manages. Even without that your own servers cost money.
      - lxgr 5y ago
        Apple's and Google's services are free, as far as I know; it's only if you want to send through some third-party provider that you pay per message.
        iudqnolq 5y ago
        Thanks for the correction
- easrng 5y ago
  On Android you: 1. Swipe the notification halfway to reveal the buttons 2. Tap the options button 3. Flip the switch that shows up On SMS you: 1. Tap reply on the notification 2. Type STOP (4 taps or one swipe) 3. Hit send There's no difference in complexity, if anything SMS is more complicated and less discoverable.
- FearlessNebula 5y ago
  SMS aren’t encrypted. I don’t want my mobile carrier knowing whatever sensitive data is being sent as a push notification.
  - anonymouse008 5y ago
    This is the biggest drawback and requires creativity - but yes, the central issue.
- lxgr 5y ago
  SMS are a horrible user experience for notifications! For push notifications, I can set them to silent by application, they take me to the right place in the app when clicking them, very often they offer quick responses directly from the notification itself... Finally, it's bad enough to require a phone number for 2FA (or worse, as the primary user identifier). Why should I have to give my phone number to a service?

Said it in another thread -- SMS's are a tangibly better user experience. You get to say stop in the moment, instead of searching through opaque settings... you can set DND to certain numbers for certain times... The whole ecosystem is there and very few are playing with it.

ceejayoz 5y ago
Any iOS notification permits you to "say stop in the moment" - you just swipe on the notification and select "Manage". The options are pretty well thought-out.
- anonymouse008 5y ago
  That's actually a whole different user flow -- you leave the notification to enter a separate system of controls with esoteric commands, over just typing what you want to happen.. "Stop" - forever until I want you back "Stop this week" - self-explanatory "Not during work hours" - also ^ "Consolidate weekly" - get a digest "I don't care" - make better suggestions So many contextual pieces to make better notifications are right there... and though a toggle button appears to be 'easier' the cognitive dissonance is less the conversational environment of SMS.
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    Texting "stop this week" will stop SMSes from that number forever because of the STOP keyword. I've never seen any SMS system that would correctly interpret and adjust to things like "not during work hours" or "consolidate weekly" responses.
    - anonymouse008 5y ago
      > I've never seen any SMS system that would correctly interpret and adjust to things like "not during work hours" or "consolidate weekly" responses. I know!! I built a stupid simple bot for myself that just reminds me of things I want in SMS form... I text it things like 'For tomorrow - x, y, z' and then 9am the next day it messages with what's behind '-'... There's a bit of configuration the first time you text the bot, for timezones and things like what does tomorrow afternoon mean to me? 2pm or 3pm? If multiple 'tomorrow afternoons come' do you want that as a digest or just individually, or w/e. But for me, I love it because I forget things so quickly, so as I quickly as I can send a text, I can get reminded at an appropriate time. (and yes, I hate reminder apps.) I'm still struggling how to keep it 'safe' - because Twilio keeps all the message data in plain text (more a byproduct of SMS) and holds a record of it, so while I can encrypt the db entries, I'm not sure how to make it 'secure' for other folks yet.
flixic 5y ago
SMS messages are probably 1000x to 100 000x more expensive to send than push notifications.
- anonymouse008 5y ago
  Sounds like better incentives for customers.
- easrng 5y ago
  Push is free, assuming you have network connectivity, and 100000*0 is still 0.
  - iudqnolq 5y ago
    Edit: Totally wrong You need to buy from apple/google if you want battery efficiency, as you want to be included in the one persistent channel the OS manages. Even without that your own servers cost money.
    - lxgr 5y ago
      Apple's and Google's services are free, as far as I know; it's only if you want to send through some third-party provider that you pay per message.
      - iudqnolq 5y ago
        Thanks for the correction
easrng 5y ago
On Android you: 1. Swipe the notification halfway to reveal the buttons 2. Tap the options button 3. Flip the switch that shows up On SMS you: 1. Tap reply on the notification 2. Type STOP (4 taps or one swipe) 3. Hit send There's no difference in complexity, if anything SMS is more complicated and less discoverable.
FearlessNebula 5y ago
SMS aren’t encrypted. I don’t want my mobile carrier knowing whatever sensitive data is being sent as a push notification.
- anonymouse008 5y ago
  This is the biggest drawback and requires creativity - but yes, the central issue.
lxgr 5y ago
SMS are a horrible user experience for notifications! For push notifications, I can set them to silent by application, they take me to the right place in the app when clicking them, very often they offer quick responses directly from the notification itself... Finally, it's bad enough to require a phone number for 2FA (or worse, as the primary user identifier). Why should I have to give my phone number to a service?