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I'm not the one making the claim...? Clearly there are some issues with particular police departments. Saying "watch this video and do it yourself" is not a vi

I'm not the one making the claim...? Clearly there are some issues with particular police departments. Saying "watch this video and do it yourself" is not a viable way of proving this is a universal phenomenon. This is basic logic.

jordigh 5y ago
I just want to change your mind. Personal experiences are the best way to do that. This is a very safe way to try to change your mind. Actually interact with the police. If you are right, then 99.9% of your interactions with the police should be positive. That means if you go into one thousand police stations and ask about the procedure to file a complaint, you should only get a negative interaction at one of them. You are confident that this is the case. So it should be really really easy for you to go to a police station, ask about how to file a complaint against the cops, and reassure yourself and everyone else that cops are for the most part good and helpful.
- ceilingcorner 5y ago
  See, here's the thing. I have had plenty of interactions with the police. I know police officers and through them, I know of both good, bad, and mediocre officers. As I said, demonizing the police almost guarantees that the good ones will leave and the remainders will have a "us vs. them" mentality. That's how tribalism works and it's a human behavior as old as time. I have actual experience. You have an ideological position with zero basis in reality. Sorry. The stats simply don't add up and emotional appeals aren't evidence.
  - jordigh 5y ago
    To be clear, your actual experience is why you are so convinced that this exercise is pointless, because you're sure the cops will very helpfully tell you how to file a complaint should you ever need to, because you do not demonise them?
    - ceilingcorner 5y ago
      No, I didn’t say the experience would be pointless. I said it doesn’t indicate that every single police department is corrupt or unhelpful. I’m really not sure what you are trying to get across.
      - jordigh 5y ago
        It's a simple test of your hypothesis. I say if you let go of this rock, it will fall to the ground. Let's test gravity. You say it won't. Not all rocks. And true, maybe not all rocks. Maybe a great gust of wind will blow at the same time. Maybe there's an unseen glass table between your hand and the ground. Maybe it's only 0.1% of bad apple rocks that fall to the ground. So I just wanted to make sure, since you're sure that only 0.1% of rocks fall to the ground when you let go of them, well, let's try it. When you let go of a rock, it has a really good chance of not falling, right? We don't want to demonise all falling rocks. If you're sure of your thesis, you should be very confident letting go of the rock and demonstrating how it doesn't fall.
        ceilingcorner 5y ago
        I’m not sure if you are aware, but physics and sociology are not the same thing. People are complicated. 800,000 people certainly don’t all act exactly the same way. Sorry, but you clearly have a severely blinding ideological bias.
        jordigh 5y ago
        Well, you're placing the same level of confidence in your experiments as a physicist would, because 0.1% is really good experimental error. That's near certainty. And yet, you refuse to test your near certainty.

jordigh 5y ago

I just want to change your mind. Personal experiences are the best way to do that. This is a very safe way to try to change your mind. Actually interact with the police. If you are right, then 99.9% of your interactions with the police should be positive. That means if you go into one thousand police stations and ask about the procedure to file a complaint, you should only get a negative interaction at one of them. You are confident that this is the case. So it should be really really easy for you to go to a police station, ask about how to file a complaint against the cops, and reassure yourself and everyone else that cops are for the most part good and helpful.

ceilingcorner 5y ago
See, here's the thing. I have had plenty of interactions with the police. I know police officers and through them, I know of both good, bad, and mediocre officers. As I said, demonizing the police almost guarantees that the good ones will leave and the remainders will have a "us vs. them" mentality. That's how tribalism works and it's a human behavior as old as time. I have actual experience. You have an ideological position with zero basis in reality. Sorry. The stats simply don't add up and emotional appeals aren't evidence.
- jordigh 5y ago
  To be clear, your actual experience is why you are so convinced that this exercise is pointless, because you're sure the cops will very helpfully tell you how to file a complaint should you ever need to, because you do not demonise them?
  - ceilingcorner 5y ago
    No, I didn’t say the experience would be pointless. I said it doesn’t indicate that every single police department is corrupt or unhelpful. I’m really not sure what you are trying to get across.
    - jordigh 5y ago
      It's a simple test of your hypothesis. I say if you let go of this rock, it will fall to the ground. Let's test gravity. You say it won't. Not all rocks. And true, maybe not all rocks. Maybe a great gust of wind will blow at the same time. Maybe there's an unseen glass table between your hand and the ground. Maybe it's only 0.1% of bad apple rocks that fall to the ground. So I just wanted to make sure, since you're sure that only 0.1% of rocks fall to the ground when you let go of them, well, let's try it. When you let go of a rock, it has a really good chance of not falling, right? We don't want to demonise all falling rocks. If you're sure of your thesis, you should be very confident letting go of the rock and demonstrating how it doesn't fall.
      - ceilingcorner 5y ago
        I’m not sure if you are aware, but physics and sociology are not the same thing. People are complicated. 800,000 people certainly don’t all act exactly the same way. Sorry, but you clearly have a severely blinding ideological bias.
        jordigh 5y ago
        Well, you're placing the same level of confidence in your experiments as a physicist would, because 0.1% is really good experimental error. That's near certainty. And yet, you refuse to test your near certainty.