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From my point of view, the problem with the police is that the standards are not high enough. It's too easy to become an officer, it doesn't require much educat

From my point of view, the problem with the police is that the standards are not high enough. It's too easy to become an officer, it doesn't require much education, and so on. It needs to become a prestige position, something that is respectable and attracts applicants that genuinely want to do good. Right now, this doesn't happen, so you mostly get the corrupt tribalism stuff. But demonizing the police profession will guarantee that thousands of reasonable, well-meaning people will never become police officers. > Maybe you should give it some more thought. I have given it plenty of thought. I, along with pretty much anyone that actually has lived in crime-ridden areas, thinks that the idea of abolishing the police and demonizing officers is completely absurd. The worst part is that the people with the loudest voices won't face any of the repercussions. Instead, it'll be the poor, because they aren't rich and social media savvy. Actual working class people are too busy working to be tweeting all day long about politics.

Clubber 5y ago
>it doesn't require much education, and so on It depends on the jurisdiction. When I was in college, being a cop required a college degree. A couple of my colleagues became police. I don't know if that's still standard in major cities. >But demonizing the police profession will guarantee that thousands of reasonable, well-meaning people will never become police officers. Maybe. I think abusing citizens guarantees that the police will be demonized. We're currently in a downward spiral and it's only fixable by changing the status of the police. >thinks that the idea of abolishing the police and demonizing officers is completely absurd. That's a red herring. I never said that and in fact I explicitly said it's a matter of degree. That's not a good faith argument. You're arguing with an imaginary person in your head, not me.
- ceilingcorner 5y ago
  > Maybe. I think abusing citizens guarantees that the police will be demonized. We're currently in a downward spiral and it's only fixable by changing the status of the police. And where is the bottom of the spiral? When police are completely hated by everyone, everywhere? You'll only get the absolute worst people to be police officers, as I said in my initial comment. > You're arguing with an imaginary person in your head, not me. I'm arguing against the idea that demonizing the police is an effective tactic.
  - Clubber 5y ago
    >I'm arguing against the idea that demonizing the police is an effective tactic. I don't think it's a tactic, I think it's a reaction. If some gang beats your ass or robs you, you aren't gonna go around saying how deep down they're really good at heart, or they were just having a bad day. Dude, people are having their lives ruined on a whim. It's not just the big stuff you see on the news, it's constant and in almost every department.
    - ceilingcorner 5y ago
      > in almost every department. Source? Any statistics? You're telling me that every one of the 800,000 police officers in the United States is a gang member that beats citizens on a regular basis?
      - Clubber 5y ago
        >You're telling me that every one of the 800,000 police officers in the United States is a gang member that beats citizens on a regular basis? Another bad faith argument. I said it happens in almost every department. Here's some videos captured all over the country of police willfully and knowingly violating people's civil rights. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCc-0YpRpqgA5lPTpSQ5uo-Q https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCc-0YpRpqgA5lPTpSQ5uo-Q https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMCSd9ZNL0nshOhXwtfIJBA https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMCSd9ZNL0nshOhXwtfIJBA

Clubber 5y ago

>it doesn't require much education, and so on It depends on the jurisdiction. When I was in college, being a cop required a college degree. A couple of my colleagues became police. I don't know if that's still standard in major cities. >But demonizing the police profession will guarantee that thousands of reasonable, well-meaning people will never become police officers. Maybe. I think abusing citizens guarantees that the police will be demonized. We're currently in a downward spiral and it's only fixable by changing the status of the police. >thinks that the idea of abolishing the police and demonizing officers is completely absurd. That's a red herring. I never said that and in fact I explicitly said it's a matter of degree. That's not a good faith argument. You're arguing with an imaginary person in your head, not me.

ceilingcorner 5y ago
> Maybe. I think abusing citizens guarantees that the police will be demonized. We're currently in a downward spiral and it's only fixable by changing the status of the police. And where is the bottom of the spiral? When police are completely hated by everyone, everywhere? You'll only get the absolute worst people to be police officers, as I said in my initial comment. > You're arguing with an imaginary person in your head, not me. I'm arguing against the idea that demonizing the police is an effective tactic.
- Clubber 5y ago
  >I'm arguing against the idea that demonizing the police is an effective tactic. I don't think it's a tactic, I think it's a reaction. If some gang beats your ass or robs you, you aren't gonna go around saying how deep down they're really good at heart, or they were just having a bad day. Dude, people are having their lives ruined on a whim. It's not just the big stuff you see on the news, it's constant and in almost every department.
  - ceilingcorner 5y ago
    > in almost every department. Source? Any statistics? You're telling me that every one of the 800,000 police officers in the United States is a gang member that beats citizens on a regular basis?
    - Clubber 5y ago
      >You're telling me that every one of the 800,000 police officers in the United States is a gang member that beats citizens on a regular basis? Another bad faith argument. I said it happens in almost every department. Here's some videos captured all over the country of police willfully and knowingly violating people's civil rights. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCc-0YpRpqgA5lPTpSQ5uo-Q https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCc-0YpRpqgA5lPTpSQ5uo-Q https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMCSd9ZNL0nshOhXwtfIJBA https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMCSd9ZNL0nshOhXwtfIJBA