Yup, agree. Cannot stand the Ubuntu Desktop variant at all. It always manages to break itself after updates and when you install it, it come preloaded with a to

Yup, agree. Cannot stand the Ubuntu Desktop variant at all. It always manages to break itself after updates and when you install it, it come preloaded with a ton of stuff I don't want. If I want to spend 2 hours uninstalling things I'd go install Windows 10. On Fedora I just uninstall a handful of things after a clean install: gnome-software, cups, libre office, maps/calendar, webcam app. Other than that I agree that Fedora is the hidden gem of all the distro's in my mind. I don't have to babysit it, it gets regular updates (1 to 4 weeks behind any release, where arch is a week or less), I can make it pretty and configure it how I want it and basically everything I use to work and be productive works on it. Once you use it for about 6 months and get used to it, everything else feels crappy and over complicated (incl macos, windows, xfce, kde). The only OS that I've managed to get cleaner and simpler than Fedora is a debloated android that uses only google software (bare minimum of them, phone, messages, gmail, clock, calendar, calc) but the problem is I cannot install arbitrary packages on it nor have official root, so the nature of that ecosystem/walled garden makes me resent that "distro" in a way.