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Apple is an obvious example that comes to mind but I can not think of any others. Anyone have some fun household name examples of the rise/fall/rise phenomenon?

JimiofEden 5y ago
Nintendo seems to wax and wane, more than rise, fall, and rise again. But when their consoles are popular, they're stupidly popular.
- philistine 5y ago
  The thing is their consoles have waxed and waned, but not the cornerstone of their revenue: the portable consoles. In that sense, the company has had the normal ups and downs of any artistic market, with their last true pit in the 60s before they found their true calling as a toy maker.
listenallyall 5y ago
Tylenol, AMD, Harley Davidson, Las Vegas, New York City, Hostess, Priceline, Domino's
- noir_lord 5y ago
  Harley Davidson is on the ropes long term though. They made the mistake of pitching their entire product at a very singular niche and the people in that niche are now getting older and in many cases too old to ride. Fantastic overview here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOwxxsPaogY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOwxxsPaogY Simply put HD make nothing that appeal to rides my age (41) and younger.
  - criddell 5y ago
    I'm not a fan of HD in general, but I think the Pan America and Live Wire are pretty cool bikes.
  - yardie 5y ago
    Pan America seems to be moving inventory quickly and the Livewire has had great reviews. I'm not in the market for a motorcycle at the moment but if I was I wouldn't discount HD.
pfdietz 5y ago
Sometimes you get a great company arising out of the ashes of a dead company. The example I'm thinking of is Nucor Steel. They arose from a company called Nuclear Corporation of America, a 60s era conglomerate that ultimately failed and was broken up. A part that was viable made steel roof elements for industrial buildings. Through a series of risky investments they built a small minimill to remelt scrap to make I beams and such, and this eventually grew into the largest US steel company, with $20B in revenue in 2020. Interestingly, they also have the old REO Motor Company in their corporate ancestry. The CEO of Nucor in its early days would sometimes get calls from people looking for spare parts for old REO vehicles (including the REO Speed Wagon, a light truck the band was named after.) I'm assuming SPACs would not count, as this is just using the zombie shell of a dead company to do what is effectively an IPO of a new company.
- in3d 5y ago
  Just a quick note: SPACs are newly formed shell companies. You may be thinking of reverse mergers.
  - pfdietz 5y ago
    Yes, I was. Thanks!
namdnay 5y ago
Gamestop? Sorry
- ascagnel_ 5y ago
  I feel like Gamestop is tee'd up to be the next Blockbuster -- a leader that utterly dominated a market that no longer exists due to digital delivery mechanisms. - The two newest consoles (PS5 and Xbox Series) feature all-digital models that effectively neuter Gamestop's primary used-game market. - Microsoft is pushing Game Pass over individual purchases, which cuts Gamestop out of new game sales. - Free-to-play games allow Gamestop to sell prepaid currency cards, but there's nothing special about GS doing that versus any other store that sells gift cards. - Customers generally have preferred digital distribution over in-store pickups, since the former can message discounts more effectively and make for snap impulse purchases.
elliekelly 5y ago
United Fruit/Chiquita had a roller coaster of a beginning in the early days and I highly recommend the book The Fish That Ate The Whale about Sam “the Banana Man” Zemurray if you’re interested in reading about the truly wild story. Fair warning: it starts off a bit dry with background about bananas and how they’re cultivated (interesting, but maybe a bit more in-depth than necessary to tell the Banana Man’s story) but it’s worth sticking it out.

JimiofEden 5y ago

Nintendo seems to wax and wane, more than rise, fall, and rise again. But when their consoles are popular, they're stupidly popular.

philistine 5y ago
The thing is their consoles have waxed and waned, but not the cornerstone of their revenue: the portable consoles. In that sense, the company has had the normal ups and downs of any artistic market, with their last true pit in the 60s before they found their true calling as a toy maker.

listenallyall 5y ago

Tylenol, AMD, Harley Davidson, Las Vegas, New York City, Hostess, Priceline, Domino's

noir_lord 5y ago
Harley Davidson is on the ropes long term though. They made the mistake of pitching their entire product at a very singular niche and the people in that niche are now getting older and in many cases too old to ride. Fantastic overview here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOwxxsPaogY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOwxxsPaogY Simply put HD make nothing that appeal to rides my age (41) and younger.
- criddell 5y ago
  I'm not a fan of HD in general, but I think the Pan America and Live Wire are pretty cool bikes.
- yardie 5y ago
  Pan America seems to be moving inventory quickly and the Livewire has had great reviews. I'm not in the market for a motorcycle at the moment but if I was I wouldn't discount HD.

pfdietz 5y ago

Sometimes you get a great company arising out of the ashes of a dead company. The example I'm thinking of is Nucor Steel. They arose from a company called Nuclear Corporation of America, a 60s era conglomerate that ultimately failed and was broken up. A part that was viable made steel roof elements for industrial buildings. Through a series of risky investments they built a small minimill to remelt scrap to make I beams and such, and this eventually grew into the largest US steel company, with $20B in revenue in 2020. Interestingly, they also have the old REO Motor Company in their corporate ancestry. The CEO of Nucor in its early days would sometimes get calls from people looking for spare parts for old REO vehicles (including the REO Speed Wagon, a light truck the band was named after.) I'm assuming SPACs would not count, as this is just using the zombie shell of a dead company to do what is effectively an IPO of a new company.

in3d 5y ago
Just a quick note: SPACs are newly formed shell companies. You may be thinking of reverse mergers.
- pfdietz 5y ago
  Yes, I was. Thanks!

namdnay 5y ago

Gamestop? Sorry

ascagnel_ 5y ago
I feel like Gamestop is tee'd up to be the next Blockbuster -- a leader that utterly dominated a market that no longer exists due to digital delivery mechanisms. - The two newest consoles (PS5 and Xbox Series) feature all-digital models that effectively neuter Gamestop's primary used-game market. - Microsoft is pushing Game Pass over individual purchases, which cuts Gamestop out of new game sales. - Free-to-play games allow Gamestop to sell prepaid currency cards, but there's nothing special about GS doing that versus any other store that sells gift cards. - Customers generally have preferred digital distribution over in-store pickups, since the former can message discounts more effectively and make for snap impulse purchases.

elliekelly 5y ago

United Fruit/Chiquita had a roller coaster of a beginning in the early days and I highly recommend the book The Fish That Ate The Whale about Sam “the Banana Man” Zemurray if you’re interested in reading about the truly wild story. Fair warning: it starts off a bit dry with background about bananas and how they’re cultivated (interesting, but maybe a bit more in-depth than necessary to tell the Banana Man’s story) but it’s worth sticking it out.