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Yes, I am with you. I was very disappointed especially the new police law. I can see the clean water and pesticide not passing because it was too much too fast

Yes, I am with you. I was very disappointed especially the new police law. I can see the clean water and pesticide not passing because it was too much too fast and scared off a lot of people. Sadly in the same go people then also killed the CO2 law. But this is Switzerland. We accept the result and move on. There is a shift and I expect more and more of these "green" law to come up for a vote and with more and more young voting they will get passed. Also it appears that the Police law may actually be illegal (Grundrecht Verletzung) and could be killed by the courts.

nix23 5y ago
> I can see the clean water and pesticide not passing because it was too much too fast and scared off a lot of people. Sadly in the same go people then also killed the CO2 law. Yeah have to agree on that...it's just, that pool gave me the feeling of no step forward three steps back. >Also it appears that the Police law may actually be illegal (Grundrecht Verletzung) and could be killed by the courts. I really hope..it's like we don't need the justice system if you can tag peoples (potential terrorist)..a bit like the Stasi (potential capitalist) in the DDR, no need to ask a judge and take responsibility for it.
- sschueller 5y ago
  > "Yeah have to agree on that...it's just, that pool gave me the feeling of no step forward three steps back." It did feel like that. At least we can make pressure on the farmers by buying only bio (even if it means eating less meat because it costs more) and showing that we are willing to pay more for "clean" food.
lasftew 5y ago
Young people were more likely to vote against the CO2 law than older people [1]. They also are more likely to be affected by increased costs of living and traveling that were proposed, due to much smaller incomes and budget. [1] https://nzzas.nzz.ch/schweiz/gar-nicht-so-gruen-junge-stimmen-gegen-umweltanliegen-ld.1626630 https://nzzas.nzz.ch/schweiz/gar-nicht-so-gruen-junge-stimme...
h0nd 5y ago
Forget it with the Grundrecht. If there is something that the past 16 months have shown clearly, it is that neither the constitutional nor other fundamental rights do apply when needed.

nix23 5y ago

> I can see the clean water and pesticide not passing because it was too much too fast and scared off a lot of people. Sadly in the same go people then also killed the CO2 law. Yeah have to agree on that...it's just, that pool gave me the feeling of no step forward three steps back. >Also it appears that the Police law may actually be illegal (Grundrecht Verletzung) and could be killed by the courts. I really hope..it's like we don't need the justice system if you can tag peoples (potential terrorist)..a bit like the Stasi (potential capitalist) in the DDR, no need to ask a judge and take responsibility for it.

sschueller 5y ago
> "Yeah have to agree on that...it's just, that pool gave me the feeling of no step forward three steps back." It did feel like that. At least we can make pressure on the farmers by buying only bio (even if it means eating less meat because it costs more) and showing that we are willing to pay more for "clean" food.

lasftew 5y ago

Young people were more likely to vote against the CO2 law than older people [1]. They also are more likely to be affected by increased costs of living and traveling that were proposed, due to much smaller incomes and budget. [1] https://nzzas.nzz.ch/schweiz/gar-nicht-so-gruen-junge-stimmen-gegen-umweltanliegen-ld.1626630 https://nzzas.nzz.ch/schweiz/gar-nicht-so-gruen-junge-stimme...

h0nd 5y ago

Forget it with the Grundrecht. If there is something that the past 16 months have shown clearly, it is that neither the constitutional nor other fundamental rights do apply when needed.