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So? The point is, not all jokes are appropriate. Some are offensive. Some jokes are just a lead-in to violence. Some just work to belittle people, little by lit

So? The point is, not all jokes are appropriate. Some are offensive. Some jokes are just a lead-in to violence. Some just work to belittle people, little by little. So, yeah, the "ex-girlfriend is a bitch" joke should be ostracized.

wyclif 15y ago
This was a conference talk, not workplace speech. Methinks you protest too much. I don't want my conference content modded by the speech police, thanks very much.
- praptak 15y ago
  "This was a conference talk, not workplace speech." So? Both are public, a conference talk even more so. Make your speech offensive, expect people to react. "I don't want my conference content modded by the speech police, thanks very much." Someone's calling out rude behavior -> cry speech police. A little bit on the strawman side if you ask me. This guy wasn't censored, wasn't forcibly removed from the conference. The only consequence of his "joke" was someone expressing their disgust.
  - wyclif 15y ago
    The only consequence of his "joke" was someone expressing their disgust. Right. Which is just shorthand for saying, "tomorrow morning nobody is going to remember this." People will just move on to the next outrage. If you don't think the speech is politically correct enough, stop attending the conference.
- LaGrange 15y ago
  "I don't want my conference content modded by the speech police, thanks very much." I think Stewart Lee says this much better than I would: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGAOCVwLrXo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGAOCVwLrXo
bluedanieru 15y ago
Does it though? There's an assertion here in this write-up that 'bitch' is in the same class of insult as various racial epithets which are far more taboo. I don't think that's the case. At any rate, this wasn't even a joke. How is it funny? How could anybody think it would be funny? I don't even mean it isn't funny because it's offensive or not, it simply isn't funny full stop. Noah Kagan has a poor sense of humor, and should not attempt to make jokes.
- LaGrange 15y ago
  "Does it though? There's an assertion here in this write-up that 'bitch' is in the same class of insult as various racial epithets which are far more taboo. I don't think that's the case." Oh please. The "there are worse things" fallacy is so old there are books on it. Even specifically on the case of "discrimination of women is not as important as whatever-is-deemed-important-by-dudes today".
  - bluedanieru 15y ago
    I was addressing a particular assertion in the article, namely: >Frankly, if the word on that picture had been a racial slur, many of us there that day would have [walked out]. It attempts to draw an equivalence between the two. You have reinforced that with your post above. I dispute that, for much the same reason I dispute that 'moron' or even 'retard' is in the same category. Simply, 'bitch' can not be used in the same way as a racial epithet. This is not a fallacy, and while there certainly are worse things that's not at all what I was getting at, and finally none of this has anything to do with 'whatever-is-deemed-important-by-dudes' or such nonsense.
    - LaGrange 15y ago
      Oh, it definitely has. You just decided that the case of discrimination based on religion or ethnicity is more important than discrimination based on gender.
      - bluedanieru 15y ago

wyclif 15y ago

This was a conference talk, not workplace speech. Methinks you protest too much. I don't want my conference content modded by the speech police, thanks very much.

praptak 15y ago
"This was a conference talk, not workplace speech." So? Both are public, a conference talk even more so. Make your speech offensive, expect people to react. "I don't want my conference content modded by the speech police, thanks very much." Someone's calling out rude behavior -> cry speech police. A little bit on the strawman side if you ask me. This guy wasn't censored, wasn't forcibly removed from the conference. The only consequence of his "joke" was someone expressing their disgust.
- wyclif 15y ago
  The only consequence of his "joke" was someone expressing their disgust. Right. Which is just shorthand for saying, "tomorrow morning nobody is going to remember this." People will just move on to the next outrage. If you don't think the speech is politically correct enough, stop attending the conference.
LaGrange 15y ago
"I don't want my conference content modded by the speech police, thanks very much." I think Stewart Lee says this much better than I would: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGAOCVwLrXo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGAOCVwLrXo

bluedanieru 15y ago

Does it though? There's an assertion here in this write-up that 'bitch' is in the same class of insult as various racial epithets which are far more taboo. I don't think that's the case. At any rate, this wasn't even a joke. How is it funny? How could anybody think it would be funny? I don't even mean it isn't funny because it's offensive or not, it simply isn't funny full stop. Noah Kagan has a poor sense of humor, and should not attempt to make jokes.

LaGrange 15y ago
"Does it though? There's an assertion here in this write-up that 'bitch' is in the same class of insult as various racial epithets which are far more taboo. I don't think that's the case." Oh please. The "there are worse things" fallacy is so old there are books on it. Even specifically on the case of "discrimination of women is not as important as whatever-is-deemed-important-by-dudes today".
- bluedanieru 15y ago
  I was addressing a particular assertion in the article, namely: >Frankly, if the word on that picture had been a racial slur, many of us there that day would have [walked out]. It attempts to draw an equivalence between the two. You have reinforced that with your post above. I dispute that, for much the same reason I dispute that 'moron' or even 'retard' is in the same category. Simply, 'bitch' can not be used in the same way as a racial epithet. This is not a fallacy, and while there certainly are worse things that's not at all what I was getting at, and finally none of this has anything to do with 'whatever-is-deemed-important-by-dudes' or such nonsense.
  - LaGrange 15y ago
    Oh, it definitely has. You just decided that the case of discrimination based on religion or ethnicity is more important than discrimination based on gender.
    - bluedanieru 15y ago