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Three points from the article: 1) The ISP's now have content of their own, so they'll gladly try to stop the illegal sharing of content on their network, becau

Three points from the article: 1) The ISP's now have content of their own, so they'll gladly try to stop the illegal sharing of content on their network, because there's now a profit incentive to do so. 2) The White House acted as a "broker" in this deal, probably forcing their hand to accept the deals, unless they wanted more regulation for this. 3) The presumption of innocence is gone. You can now be found "guilty" without any court saying so. On 3, that's why I think the Big Content industry is by far the most dangerous entity not only to online freedoms, but other freedoms as well. They are the ones pushing most of the online censorship regulations, and they are the ones pushing institutions like ICE, Homeland Security and even FBI to consider people guilty first and take down their websites or servers, without due process. I wouldn't be surprised if 5-10 years from now they'll try to get the Police to check your iPod or phone for any illegal songs when they pull you over for exceeding the speed limit.

econgeeker 15y ago
The "Big Content" industry wouldn't be able to do this at all if they had to go thru the courts. It is government control and government regulation that is the perpetrator here. The ISPs rolled over because they are dependent on government permission to operate. This is defacto censorship. AT&T wants to buy radio stations? Has to get FCC and anti-trust approval. Comcast wants to introduce a new high speed internet service? Once again, they need regulatory approval. It wasn't "big content" that made the "ICE" and "Homeland Security" shut down offshore poker companies-- companies that, it is worth noting, were perfectly legal under the laws of the jurisdictions where they operated. The government of the USA is no different from the governments of Libya, Egypt, Jordan, and China in wanting complete control over the internet. Control over the internet is control over information, and thus control over the population. The only difference is in the USA, they have to pretend like there's some other justification-- copyright infringement, terrorism, drugs, etc. are the go-to excuses. But they are never the reason.
- pyre 15y ago
  > It is government control and government regulation > that is the perpetrator here. I think that the implication is that "Big Content" is lobbying for the government control/regulation that they want, and getting it. That is why the finger is being pointed at "Big Content." 'Legislation for sale' is just a conduit of 'bad things,' the entity purchasing said bad legislation is that source. > The ISPs rolled over because they are dependent > on government permission to operate It would seem more likely that they were afraid of the government enacting legislation that forced them to do something similar with 'copyright notices,' so they decided that self-regulation was better then government-regulation. (Notice that I didn't use the word censorship, which is out of place in this discussion)
pwg 15y ago
First they came for the communists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me. Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)
- hyperbovine 15y ago
  Ahh, I was counting the minutes until somebody chimed in with this quote. Because the Holocaust is /so much/ like downloading Kung Fu Panda 2 off PirateBay. Bravo.
  - Ihavenoname 15y ago
    That comment would have made you sound pretty cool 10 years ago before warrentles searches desires became commonplace and people are mercilessly harassed and even tortured because of race or name. why people are cool with torture and the suspension of the constitution is bend me.
    - Vivtek 15y ago
      I've always thought people cheer on torture because they think they're safe if they're on the side of strength.
- tomjen3 15y ago
  And had he spoken out, he would have died. That is the real problem.
  - dspillett 15y ago
    Not if enough people stood with him (even against such an oppressive and confident force). The problem there being the in his case "enough people" would have been a great many people and contrary to what we tell ourselves us humans don't tend to work so well in large groups especially when you are relying on the rest of the group to stand firm. That is the point of the quote: many people didn't take action because of the risk to themselves if not enough other people took action too. If everyone speaks out you have some safety in numbers assurance, even if a small proportion of people meet with reprisals. If only a few speak out with you, you are guaranteed to be picked off in short order. That is not a risk we would naturally consider, and as the quote suggests this locally greedy algorithm for deciding when to act and when to keep shtum falls easily into the hands of a growing oppressive force.

econgeeker 15y ago

The "Big Content" industry wouldn't be able to do this at all if they had to go thru the courts. It is government control and government regulation that is the perpetrator here. The ISPs rolled over because they are dependent on government permission to operate. This is defacto censorship. AT&T wants to buy radio stations? Has to get FCC and anti-trust approval. Comcast wants to introduce a new high speed internet service? Once again, they need regulatory approval. It wasn't "big content" that made the "ICE" and "Homeland Security" shut down offshore poker companies-- companies that, it is worth noting, were perfectly legal under the laws of the jurisdictions where they operated. The government of the USA is no different from the governments of Libya, Egypt, Jordan, and China in wanting complete control over the internet. Control over the internet is control over information, and thus control over the population. The only difference is in the USA, they have to pretend like there's some other justification-- copyright infringement, terrorism, drugs, etc. are the go-to excuses. But they are never the reason.

pyre 15y ago
> It is government control and government regulation > that is the perpetrator here. I think that the implication is that "Big Content" is lobbying for the government control/regulation that they want, and getting it. That is why the finger is being pointed at "Big Content." 'Legislation for sale' is just a conduit of 'bad things,' the entity purchasing said bad legislation is that source. > The ISPs rolled over because they are dependent > on government permission to operate It would seem more likely that they were afraid of the government enacting legislation that forced them to do something similar with 'copyright notices,' so they decided that self-regulation was better then government-regulation. (Notice that I didn't use the word censorship, which is out of place in this discussion)

pwg 15y ago

First they came for the communists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me. Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)

hyperbovine 15y ago
Ahh, I was counting the minutes until somebody chimed in with this quote. Because the Holocaust is /so much/ like downloading Kung Fu Panda 2 off PirateBay. Bravo.
- Ihavenoname 15y ago
  That comment would have made you sound pretty cool 10 years ago before warrentles searches desires became commonplace and people are mercilessly harassed and even tortured because of race or name. why people are cool with torture and the suspension of the constitution is bend me.
  - Vivtek 15y ago
    I've always thought people cheer on torture because they think they're safe if they're on the side of strength.
tomjen3 15y ago
And had he spoken out, he would have died. That is the real problem.
- dspillett 15y ago
  Not if enough people stood with him (even against such an oppressive and confident force). The problem there being the in his case "enough people" would have been a great many people and contrary to what we tell ourselves us humans don't tend to work so well in large groups especially when you are relying on the rest of the group to stand firm. That is the point of the quote: many people didn't take action because of the risk to themselves if not enough other people took action too. If everyone speaks out you have some safety in numbers assurance, even if a small proportion of people meet with reprisals. If only a few speak out with you, you are guaranteed to be picked off in short order. That is not a risk we would naturally consider, and as the quote suggests this locally greedy algorithm for deciding when to act and when to keep shtum falls easily into the hands of a growing oppressive force.