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I had clearview AI try to hire me when nobody in the wider public knew about them and that was pretty much how I felt about it at the time when I turned that of

I had clearview AI try to hire me when nobody in the wider public knew about them and that was pretty much how I felt about it at the time when I turned that offer down. I'm glad to see it being talked about now. I like to call it inspector gadgetarianism. Cops LOVE this shit. They do all sorts of practices like denying that you can easily pass lie detection testing, penile plesmography (like if they want to determine a potential recruit is a pervert they hook their meat up to this machine and show them shit like dudes copulating with chickens), and that time the us military got those ridiculous fake bomb detectors that did literally nothing. It's a miscarriage of justice but that's what you get when you have an organization that does stuff like not even letting you in if they think you're too smart https://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836 https://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/st...

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DonHopkins 5y ago
Apparently they have seat pads for lie detectors to detect anal clenching, a technique for fooling lie detectors. https://lafayettepolygraph.com/products/seat-activity-sensor-lx4000 https://lafayettepolygraph.com/products/seat-activity-sensor... >Activity Sensor Seat Pad for LX4000, Model 76879S. Price: $ 475.00* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20312004 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20312004 >Does the technique of clenching your butt hole actually work to beat a polygraph? (As described in my favorite "The Americans" season 2 episode 7, "Arpanet".) Does it also help to visualize someone you love at the same time? ;) If it actually works, the photo of Charles Wayne Humble in the article looks like he could lie through his teeth while passing a polygraph exam with flying colors! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arpanet_(The_Americans) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arpanet_(The_Americans) After consulting with Arkady and Oleg, and with the promise of coaching from Oleg, Nina tells Stan that she will take the FBI's polygraph test. Oleg suggests a few techniques including that she visualize him in the room as well as clenching her anus. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3OMSMq9zPA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3OMSMq9zPA The Americans Season 2 Episode 7 "Arpanet" Review: "I like when I learn something from an episode, and now I know ..." "If you're having to do a polygraph, squeeze your anus." https://tv.avclub.com/the-americans-arpanet-1798180091 https://tv.avclub.com/the-americans-arpanet-1798180091 (One of the ways to beat a polygraph turns out to be clenching one’s anus. This show is full of helpful hints.) >https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/tv/a28316/spy-on-the-americans/ https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/tv/a28316/spy-on-the-a... >ESQ: The show featured Nina learning to beat and eventually beating a polygraph. How easy is it to do that? >PE: We have a number of real-world instances. The Aldrich Ames case. He went through the polygraph twice, after he went to work for the Soviets. Administering a polygraph is an art, not a science. That's why it's not admitted in court. People have claimed to have had training to beat the polygraph. Everything from tightening your sphincter to breathing a certain way, and so forth. >ESQ: Speaking of sphincters, the trick she's told is "squeeze your anus." Is that a thing? >PE: I can't confirm. [Laughs] I took several polygraphs. Taking them is a standard thing in the intelligence life. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20311928 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20311928 >Or if you deliberately clench your anal sphincter, that's enough to change results. And yes, that actually works; that's why some lie detectors now feature ass-clenching detention technology.
- mc32 5y ago
  That seems like a decoy. Make people rely on it and then miss something else. Why couldn’t they just bite their tongue if you just need overriding stimulus? Moreover that assumes a premise where a lie detector can actually detect lies in the fist place.
- jamal-kumar 5y ago
  Not going to lie, all i can think of reading your comment is the book "How to Good-bye Depression: If You Constrict Anus 100 Times Everyday. Malarkey? or Effective Way?" https://www.amazon.com/How-Good-bye-Depression-Constrict-Everyday/dp/0595094724 https://www.amazon.com/How-Good-bye-Depression-Constrict-Eve... Good read for all them anus clencher fanatics I suppose
DonHopkins 5y ago
Penile plesmography isn't fair to people who are easily aroused by having electrical devices attached to their penises. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erotic_electrostimulation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erotic_electrostimulation
- runnerup 5y ago
  Using an alt-account for this as I don't normally post on non-technical or potentially controversial topics. I'm working on a product today which includes a PPG sensor, on an innocuous part of the body (e.g. wrist, etc.). While we expose many of the sensors to developers via an SDK API, the PPG sensor is heavily processed (downsampled, in a sense) to minimal information such as heart rate. This is due to concerns about application developers being able to use the raw PPG to create health inferences and/or use it as a way to identify/track individual users of our device. One of our demos was to a defense company and an engineer there was appalled at all the sensors we were trying to utilize. He said something to the effect of "No way I'm wearing that. You could do a lot of fucked-up shit with that. I would know, because I'm a fucked-up guy and my job is making that fucked-up shit." He followed up with: "Could you use that PPG sensor to see if I have an erection?" and the question was drowned away by laughter across the room, One of our data scientists who works closely with the PPG sensor models told me in private later: "I actually thought that was a really good question. I thought about it for awhile, and I think the answer is yes -- we could." I don't know if he's right -- the data we get from the PPG sensor is pretty dirty especially whenever the wearer is moving around. But our signal processing pales in comparison to what Apple is able to achieve, so maybe someone better could. Or maybe not, it's not something we're spending engineering time to determine!
  - DonHopkins 5y ago
    Just to be clear, the first "P" in "PPG" stands for "Photo", not "Penile", right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoplethysmogram https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoplethysmogram But to be fair, there's also VPPG and CPPG: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaginal_photoplethysmograph https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaginal_photoplethysmograph https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clitoral_photoplethysmograph https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clitoral_photoplethysmograph So maybe Apple should call their touch sensing and haptic feedback technology the "Faptic Engine", since the Apple Watch can detect when and how vigorously you're masturbating? (Apple Watch users: Do you take it off, or use the other hand, or is there "an app for that"?) https://www.webopedia.com/definitions/taptic-engine/ https://www.webopedia.com/definitions/taptic-engine/ >A combination of “tap” and “haptic feedback,” taptic engine is a name Apple created for its technology that provides tactile sensations in the form of vibrations to users of Apple devices like the Apple Watch, iPhones, iPads, and MacBook laptops. >Apple debuted its taptic engine technology along with the Force Touch feature in the 2015 editions of Apple MacBook notebooks and the initial Apple Watch, and the two features work together to provide a user with more input control and feedback. https://appleinsider.com/articles/16/09/27/inside-the-iphone-7-apples-taptic-engine-explained https://appleinsider.com/articles/16/09/27/inside-the-iphone... >Apple has moved the Taptic Engine to its third device — the iPhone 7. The new technology replaces the older linear actuator, and will ultimately bring a world of force feedback sensations to the user, as developers implement the technology in their own apps. >The Taptic Engine is Apple's implementation of haptic user interface feedback. Using a linear actuator, devices like the iPhone 7 can reproduce the sensation of motion or generate new and distinct tactile experiences. In some cases, audio feedback from onboard speakers completes the illusion. https://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2020/01/apple-won-39-patents-today-covering-an-enhanced-ppg-sensor-system-for-apple-watch-3d-haptic-touch-more.html https://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2020/01/apple-w... >Apple Won 39 Patents Today covering an Enhanced PPG Sensor System for Apple Watch, 3D-Haptic Touch & more Maybe there's another application (and nickname) for the Tap Strap 2: https://www.tapwithus.com/ https://www.tapwithus.com/ Tap Strap ASL (tracking the raw Tap Strap 2 device data and recognizing American Sign Language with machine learning): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqjacp5Pqs0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqjacp5Pqs0
Spare_account 5y ago
>that time the us military got those ridiculous fake bomb detectors that did literally nothing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADE_651 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADE_651 Are you referring to the ADE 651? I wasn't aware that it was sold to the US military.
- voxic11 5y ago
  That particular device wasn't. But other very similar devices have been purchased by the US military. > The Navy's counterterrorism technology task force tested Sniffex and concluded "The Sniffex handheld explosives detector does not work." Despite this, the US military bought eight for $50,000. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sniffex https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sniffex
- jamal-kumar 5y ago
  Oh yeah, not that one but the history of this fraud goes BACK some years. Check this little piece of inspector gadgetarianist nonsense that goes all the way back to 1996 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadro_Tracker https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadro_Tracker I don't really know what the people who make these are thinking, it seems like a really bad idea to me to scam the only people who can themselves legally go after and detain you Couple of other examples: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_6_(device) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_6_(device) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GT200 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GT200

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DonHopkins 5y ago

Apparently they have seat pads for lie detectors to detect anal clenching, a technique for fooling lie detectors. https://lafayettepolygraph.com/products/seat-activity-sensor-lx4000 https://lafayettepolygraph.com/products/seat-activity-sensor... >Activity Sensor Seat Pad for LX4000, Model 76879S. Price: $ 475.00* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20312004 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20312004 >Does the technique of clenching your butt hole actually work to beat a polygraph? (As described in my favorite "The Americans" season 2 episode 7, "Arpanet".) Does it also help to visualize someone you love at the same time? ;) If it actually works, the photo of Charles Wayne Humble in the article looks like he could lie through his teeth while passing a polygraph exam with flying colors! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arpanet_(The_Americans) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arpanet_(The_Americans) After consulting with Arkady and Oleg, and with the promise of coaching from Oleg, Nina tells Stan that she will take the FBI's polygraph test. Oleg suggests a few techniques including that she visualize him in the room as well as clenching her anus. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3OMSMq9zPA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3OMSMq9zPA The Americans Season 2 Episode 7 "Arpanet" Review: "I like when I learn something from an episode, and now I know ..." "If you're having to do a polygraph, squeeze your anus." https://tv.avclub.com/the-americans-arpanet-1798180091 https://tv.avclub.com/the-americans-arpanet-1798180091 (One of the ways to beat a polygraph turns out to be clenching one’s anus. This show is full of helpful hints.) >https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/tv/a28316/spy-on-the-americans/ https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/tv/a28316/spy-on-the-a... >ESQ: The show featured Nina learning to beat and eventually beating a polygraph. How easy is it to do that? >PE: We have a number of real-world instances. The Aldrich Ames case. He went through the polygraph twice, after he went to work for the Soviets. Administering a polygraph is an art, not a science. That's why it's not admitted in court. People have claimed to have had training to beat the polygraph. Everything from tightening your sphincter to breathing a certain way, and so forth. >ESQ: Speaking of sphincters, the trick she's told is "squeeze your anus." Is that a thing? >PE: I can't confirm. [Laughs] I took several polygraphs. Taking them is a standard thing in the intelligence life. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20311928 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20311928 >Or if you deliberately clench your anal sphincter, that's enough to change results. And yes, that actually works; that's why some lie detectors now feature ass-clenching detention technology.

mc32 5y ago
That seems like a decoy. Make people rely on it and then miss something else. Why couldn’t they just bite their tongue if you just need overriding stimulus? Moreover that assumes a premise where a lie detector can actually detect lies in the fist place.
jamal-kumar 5y ago
Not going to lie, all i can think of reading your comment is the book "How to Good-bye Depression: If You Constrict Anus 100 Times Everyday. Malarkey? or Effective Way?" https://www.amazon.com/How-Good-bye-Depression-Constrict-Everyday/dp/0595094724 https://www.amazon.com/How-Good-bye-Depression-Constrict-Eve... Good read for all them anus clencher fanatics I suppose

DonHopkins 5y ago

Penile plesmography isn't fair to people who are easily aroused by having electrical devices attached to their penises. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erotic_electrostimulation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erotic_electrostimulation

runnerup 5y ago
Using an alt-account for this as I don't normally post on non-technical or potentially controversial topics. I'm working on a product today which includes a PPG sensor, on an innocuous part of the body (e.g. wrist, etc.). While we expose many of the sensors to developers via an SDK API, the PPG sensor is heavily processed (downsampled, in a sense) to minimal information such as heart rate. This is due to concerns about application developers being able to use the raw PPG to create health inferences and/or use it as a way to identify/track individual users of our device. One of our demos was to a defense company and an engineer there was appalled at all the sensors we were trying to utilize. He said something to the effect of "No way I'm wearing that. You could do a lot of fucked-up shit with that. I would know, because I'm a fucked-up guy and my job is making that fucked-up shit." He followed up with: "Could you use that PPG sensor to see if I have an erection?" and the question was drowned away by laughter across the room, One of our data scientists who works closely with the PPG sensor models told me in private later: "I actually thought that was a really good question. I thought about it for awhile, and I think the answer is yes -- we could." I don't know if he's right -- the data we get from the PPG sensor is pretty dirty especially whenever the wearer is moving around. But our signal processing pales in comparison to what Apple is able to achieve, so maybe someone better could. Or maybe not, it's not something we're spending engineering time to determine!
- DonHopkins 5y ago
  Just to be clear, the first "P" in "PPG" stands for "Photo", not "Penile", right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoplethysmogram https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoplethysmogram But to be fair, there's also VPPG and CPPG: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaginal_photoplethysmograph https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaginal_photoplethysmograph https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clitoral_photoplethysmograph https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clitoral_photoplethysmograph So maybe Apple should call their touch sensing and haptic feedback technology the "Faptic Engine", since the Apple Watch can detect when and how vigorously you're masturbating? (Apple Watch users: Do you take it off, or use the other hand, or is there "an app for that"?) https://www.webopedia.com/definitions/taptic-engine/ https://www.webopedia.com/definitions/taptic-engine/ >A combination of “tap” and “haptic feedback,” taptic engine is a name Apple created for its technology that provides tactile sensations in the form of vibrations to users of Apple devices like the Apple Watch, iPhones, iPads, and MacBook laptops. >Apple debuted its taptic engine technology along with the Force Touch feature in the 2015 editions of Apple MacBook notebooks and the initial Apple Watch, and the two features work together to provide a user with more input control and feedback. https://appleinsider.com/articles/16/09/27/inside-the-iphone-7-apples-taptic-engine-explained https://appleinsider.com/articles/16/09/27/inside-the-iphone... >Apple has moved the Taptic Engine to its third device — the iPhone 7. The new technology replaces the older linear actuator, and will ultimately bring a world of force feedback sensations to the user, as developers implement the technology in their own apps. >The Taptic Engine is Apple's implementation of haptic user interface feedback. Using a linear actuator, devices like the iPhone 7 can reproduce the sensation of motion or generate new and distinct tactile experiences. In some cases, audio feedback from onboard speakers completes the illusion. https://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2020/01/apple-won-39-patents-today-covering-an-enhanced-ppg-sensor-system-for-apple-watch-3d-haptic-touch-more.html https://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2020/01/apple-w... >Apple Won 39 Patents Today covering an Enhanced PPG Sensor System for Apple Watch, 3D-Haptic Touch & more Maybe there's another application (and nickname) for the Tap Strap 2: https://www.tapwithus.com/ https://www.tapwithus.com/ Tap Strap ASL (tracking the raw Tap Strap 2 device data and recognizing American Sign Language with machine learning): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqjacp5Pqs0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqjacp5Pqs0

Spare_account 5y ago

>that time the us military got those ridiculous fake bomb detectors that did literally nothing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADE_651 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADE_651 Are you referring to the ADE 651? I wasn't aware that it was sold to the US military.

voxic11 5y ago
That particular device wasn't. But other very similar devices have been purchased by the US military. > The Navy's counterterrorism technology task force tested Sniffex and concluded "The Sniffex handheld explosives detector does not work." Despite this, the US military bought eight for $50,000. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sniffex https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sniffex
jamal-kumar 5y ago
Oh yeah, not that one but the history of this fraud goes BACK some years. Check this little piece of inspector gadgetarianist nonsense that goes all the way back to 1996 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadro_Tracker https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadro_Tracker I don't really know what the people who make these are thinking, it seems like a really bad idea to me to scam the only people who can themselves legally go after and detain you Couple of other examples: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_6_(device) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_6_(device) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GT200 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GT200