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> ... the extremely rare spark of whiteboard innovation is not worth ... Crazy idea - install a whiteboard at home and point a 4k camera at it. The broke colle

> ... the extremely rare spark of whiteboard innovation is not worth ... Crazy idea - install a whiteboard at home and point a 4k camera at it. The broke college student version of this involves a pen, paper, and the camera on your cellphone; it works quite well.

ghaff 5y ago
Whiteboard area in a conference room has some challenges to recreate. That said, we've found collaborative editing replaces a lot of sloppy handwriting and people capturing with smartphones and recreating after the meeting. To say nothing of the fact, that wealthy SV companies complaining that they have to structure their entire companies arounf in-person because virtual whiteboards are a really hard problem should be basically ridiculed. I actually agree that in-person get-togethers are useful. I'm just not convinced they can't be handles as quarterly events in many situations--as many companies with distributed workforces already do.
- d110af5ccf 5y ago
  I didn't mean to claim 100% equivalence, just to point out how trivial it is to replace the core functionality if that's really what the issue is. Personally I think that collaborative editing tools are a strict improvement in all areas except for free form diagrams. > virtual whiteboards Even a fully virtual equivalent is fairly trivial. Just buy a damn drawing tablet already! Being good enough to do commercial artwork on, they're all but guaranteed to far exceed the needs of any software developer.
- lazide 5y ago
  Having used said virtual whiteboards - they suck. Most of ‘whiteboarding’ is the low lag communication, body language, ease of just ‘doing something’ by hand. In my experience, the connection issues, lack of ability to get good fidelity in communication, random glitches and other issues, just ruins the majority of it. Not having a terrible commute or paying 10x the national average for a closet to live in are definitely a strong plus in the other column though for sure.
  - throwawayboise 5y ago
    For me, whiteboards are worthless. I have zero artistic skills, bad handwriting, and my thought processes are not particularly visual. When I have to participate, I usually just stand at the board and talk, and never draw anything. For capturing bullet points, and other terse text, a Google doc is far superior.
protomyth 5y ago
Not so crazy. I've been looking for whiteboards (well, smart boards) with hdmi out or just using a camera for instructor at home use. A Black Magic Design ATEM allows for multiple inputs and use on Zoom as a web cam. We did buy an overhead web cam specifically for our beadwork instructor do she could show closeups of her working hands free.
refurb 5y ago
Oh fun, now I can watch someone think a solution on zoom. Jesus, it was painful enough doing it in person.

ghaff 5y ago

Whiteboard area in a conference room has some challenges to recreate. That said, we've found collaborative editing replaces a lot of sloppy handwriting and people capturing with smartphones and recreating after the meeting. To say nothing of the fact, that wealthy SV companies complaining that they have to structure their entire companies arounf in-person because virtual whiteboards are a really hard problem should be basically ridiculed. I actually agree that in-person get-togethers are useful. I'm just not convinced they can't be handles as quarterly events in many situations--as many companies with distributed workforces already do.

d110af5ccf 5y ago
I didn't mean to claim 100% equivalence, just to point out how trivial it is to replace the core functionality if that's really what the issue is. Personally I think that collaborative editing tools are a strict improvement in all areas except for free form diagrams. > virtual whiteboards Even a fully virtual equivalent is fairly trivial. Just buy a damn drawing tablet already! Being good enough to do commercial artwork on, they're all but guaranteed to far exceed the needs of any software developer.
lazide 5y ago
Having used said virtual whiteboards - they suck. Most of ‘whiteboarding’ is the low lag communication, body language, ease of just ‘doing something’ by hand. In my experience, the connection issues, lack of ability to get good fidelity in communication, random glitches and other issues, just ruins the majority of it. Not having a terrible commute or paying 10x the national average for a closet to live in are definitely a strong plus in the other column though for sure.
- throwawayboise 5y ago
  For me, whiteboards are worthless. I have zero artistic skills, bad handwriting, and my thought processes are not particularly visual. When I have to participate, I usually just stand at the board and talk, and never draw anything. For capturing bullet points, and other terse text, a Google doc is far superior.

protomyth 5y ago

Not so crazy. I've been looking for whiteboards (well, smart boards) with hdmi out or just using a camera for instructor at home use. A Black Magic Design ATEM allows for multiple inputs and use on Zoom as a web cam. We did buy an overhead web cam specifically for our beadwork instructor do she could show closeups of her working hands free.

refurb 5y ago

Oh fun, now I can watch someone think a solution on zoom. Jesus, it was painful enough doing it in person.