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> In any case ivermectin appears to be the new hydroxychloquine. A medicine that was randomly seized on as theoretically being effective against viruses and has

> In any case ivermectin appears to be the new hydroxychloquine. A medicine that was randomly seized on as theoretically being effective against viruses and has failed in every properly conducted RCT. Agree.

shaicoleman 5y ago
I've responded to a similar comment about HCQ here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27498083 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27498083
- seventytwo 5y ago
  No matter if what you say is true, the vaccines still prevent any of that in the first place. So…………………
  - shaicoleman 5y ago
    Vaccines are part of the solution, but they are not a panacea. Not everyone is willing to take them and there aren't enough of them to vaccinate the entire world. If the disease is still raging in any part of the world, that will lead to variants which will eventually escape the vaccine, thus restarting the cycle again.
    - jolux 5y ago
      As far as I know it’s a subject of some debate whether full immune escape from the mRNA vaccines is probable even given new variants. The spike protein can only be reconfigured in so many ways, it’s not like the flu.
      - shaicoleman 5y ago
        Only a small percent of the world is vaccinated with mRNA vaccines, thus it's not a global solution. Some vaccines are already ineffective with the variants, e.g. Chile has one of the highest vaccination rates in the world, but doesn't have the disease under control. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-57436861 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-57436861
        jolux 5y ago
        What vaccine was Chile using?
        shaicoleman 5y ago
        * 79% Sinovac * 18% Pfizer * 2% Oxford/AstraZeneca * 1% CanSino https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-vaccine-doses-by-manufacturer?country=~CHL https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-vaccine-doses-by-ma... Sinovac has been recently approved by the WHO for emergency use https://www.who.int/news/item/01-06-2021-who-validates-sinovac-covid-19-vaccine-for-emergency-use-and-issues-interim-policy-recommendations https://www.who.int/news/item/01-06-2021-who-validates-sinov...
        jolux 5y ago
        It has been, but from what I've heard Sinovac is significantly less effective than the others: https://apnews.com/article/china-gao-fu-vaccines-offer-low-protection-coronavirus-675bcb6b5710c7329823148ffbff6ef9 https://apnews.com/article/china-gao-fu-vaccines-offer-low-p...

shaicoleman 5y ago

I've responded to a similar comment about HCQ here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27498083 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27498083

seventytwo 5y ago
No matter if what you say is true, the vaccines still prevent any of that in the first place. So…………………
- shaicoleman 5y ago
  Vaccines are part of the solution, but they are not a panacea. Not everyone is willing to take them and there aren't enough of them to vaccinate the entire world. If the disease is still raging in any part of the world, that will lead to variants which will eventually escape the vaccine, thus restarting the cycle again.
  - jolux 5y ago
    As far as I know it’s a subject of some debate whether full immune escape from the mRNA vaccines is probable even given new variants. The spike protein can only be reconfigured in so many ways, it’s not like the flu.
    - shaicoleman 5y ago
      Only a small percent of the world is vaccinated with mRNA vaccines, thus it's not a global solution. Some vaccines are already ineffective with the variants, e.g. Chile has one of the highest vaccination rates in the world, but doesn't have the disease under control. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-57436861 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-57436861
      - jolux 5y ago
        What vaccine was Chile using?
        shaicoleman 5y ago
        * 79% Sinovac * 18% Pfizer * 2% Oxford/AstraZeneca * 1% CanSino https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-vaccine-doses-by-manufacturer?country=~CHL https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-vaccine-doses-by-ma... Sinovac has been recently approved by the WHO for emergency use https://www.who.int/news/item/01-06-2021-who-validates-sinovac-covid-19-vaccine-for-emergency-use-and-issues-interim-policy-recommendations https://www.who.int/news/item/01-06-2021-who-validates-sinov...
        jolux 5y ago
        It has been, but from what I've heard Sinovac is significantly less effective than the others: https://apnews.com/article/china-gao-fu-vaccines-offer-low-protection-coronavirus-675bcb6b5710c7329823148ffbff6ef9 https://apnews.com/article/china-gao-fu-vaccines-offer-low-p...