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> Get naturally infected - natural infection offers broad and long lasting immunity Baffling to see this listed as a way to get covid “under control”. If peopl

> Get naturally infected - natural infection offers broad and long lasting immunity Baffling to see this listed as a way to get covid “under control”. If people getting naturally infected is fine, what is there to control? The whole reason people are concerned about getting covid under control is that natural infection would kill around 0.5% of a population in a developed country, or more if the hospital system becomes overwhelmed and oxygen or other standard of care treatment isn’t available. > The data is showing that Ivermectin is almost 100% effective as a prophylaxis No placebo controlled RCT has shown this that I’m aware of for ivermectin (as discussed in the parent article). The evidence for the vaccines, steriod, or mAb treatments working is backed by placebo controlled RCT. The article states: “ All in all, though, the most compelling reports of ivermectin’s effects seem to come from the smallest and least controlled samples (all the way down to anecdotal results) while the larger and more well-controlled trials tend to produce equivocal evidence at best.” > and using Ivermectin is a safe alternative that also contributes to herd immunity. How would it create herd immunity? Would people have to take ivermectin for the rest of their lives as an alternative to the vaccine?

shaicoleman 5y ago
> Baffling to see this [natural infection] listed as a way to get covid “under control” Nobody in their right minds thinks that this is the ideal way to get it under control, but it's one of the ways that can contribute to herd immunity. > No placebo controlled RCT has shown this that I’m aware of for ivermectin There are as of today 58 studies, out of which there are 29 RCTs showing Ivermectin is effective. https://ivmmeta.com/ https://ivmmeta.com/ > How would it create herd immunity? Would people have to take ivermectin for the rest of their lives as an alternative to the vaccine? Let's say you need 75% for herd immunity. If you have 25% vaccinated, 25% who have already got the infection, and 25% who are taking Ivermectin once a week, you've reached herd immunity. When the R0 is below 1, it will exponentially reduce infections towards zero within months. With effective early treatments, it doesn't even matter how many people get infected as long as they don't get severely ill.
- sasaf5 5y ago
  > Nobody in their right minds thinks that this is the ideal way to get it under control, but it's one of the ways that can contribute to herd immunity. It can also contribute with mutations...
AndrewBissell 5y ago
> The whole reason people are concerned about getting covid under control is that natural infection would kill around 0.5% of a population in a developed country This number is way, way off. It's not even close to the actual number of officially tallied deaths divided by confirmed cases so far, which would itself overstate the real IFR for a number of reasons. > or more if the hospital system becomes overwhelmed and oxygen or other standard of care treatment isn’t available. To the extent this is even a real phenomenon, it correlates better with places which have underfunded and straining hospital systems as opposed to those which eschew lockdowns and other NPIs.
- Marsymars 5y ago
  > It's not even close to the actual number of officially tallied deaths divided by confirmed cases so far It's much lower than the number of officially tallied deaths divided by confirmed cases so far. That number is around 1.8% in the USA. If you divide officially tallied deaths by the CDC's best estimate of total infections, including unreported and asymptomatic cases, you get an IFR of 0.52%.

shaicoleman 5y ago

> Baffling to see this [natural infection] listed as a way to get covid “under control” Nobody in their right minds thinks that this is the ideal way to get it under control, but it's one of the ways that can contribute to herd immunity. > No placebo controlled RCT has shown this that I’m aware of for ivermectin There are as of today 58 studies, out of which there are 29 RCTs showing Ivermectin is effective. https://ivmmeta.com/ https://ivmmeta.com/ > How would it create herd immunity? Would people have to take ivermectin for the rest of their lives as an alternative to the vaccine? Let's say you need 75% for herd immunity. If you have 25% vaccinated, 25% who have already got the infection, and 25% who are taking Ivermectin once a week, you've reached herd immunity. When the R0 is below 1, it will exponentially reduce infections towards zero within months. With effective early treatments, it doesn't even matter how many people get infected as long as they don't get severely ill.

sasaf5 5y ago
> Nobody in their right minds thinks that this is the ideal way to get it under control, but it's one of the ways that can contribute to herd immunity. It can also contribute with mutations...

AndrewBissell 5y ago

> The whole reason people are concerned about getting covid under control is that natural infection would kill around 0.5% of a population in a developed country This number is way, way off. It's not even close to the actual number of officially tallied deaths divided by confirmed cases so far, which would itself overstate the real IFR for a number of reasons. > or more if the hospital system becomes overwhelmed and oxygen or other standard of care treatment isn’t available. To the extent this is even a real phenomenon, it correlates better with places which have underfunded and straining hospital systems as opposed to those which eschew lockdowns and other NPIs.

Marsymars 5y ago
> It's not even close to the actual number of officially tallied deaths divided by confirmed cases so far It's much lower than the number of officially tallied deaths divided by confirmed cases so far. That number is around 1.8% in the USA. If you divide officially tallied deaths by the CDC's best estimate of total infections, including unreported and asymptomatic cases, you get an IFR of 0.52%.