5 ms·

"Fighting" climate change on a national level like this is disingenuous. It is not going to accomplish anything. There needs to be global agreements involving t

"Fighting" climate change on a national level like this is disingenuous. It is not going to accomplish anything. There needs to be global agreements involving the biggest players. Else it is just a self inflicted penalty that accomplishes nothing.

ratsforhorses 5y ago
I think if you can afford to show by example , you should... any penalty you incur makes you better prepared and more competitive for later...
- nexuist 5y ago
  Alternatively, investing in renewable energy is not a penalty at all. Whoever wins this technological race is eventually going to list every other country as a customer, because there will be no other choice when oil runs out. Behind the moral do-good-ness of corporate and state-backed environmental activism is a race to become the next Aramco.
lucb1e 5y ago
On an individual level, people make choices about climate change. For example solar panels or electric vehicle when not doing so would simply be easier or cheaper. Municipalities are looking at how to switch away from gas-based heating in houses, for example using district heat. Regional governments also play a role, though I don't remember by heart which were the kinds of things they decide on. Pretty sure it involved land use, for example where to place wind turbines, but I could be wrong. Until we have "global agreements involving the biggest players", I really don't think we should avoid making climate-impacting decisions on a national level. If we need to first get the whole planet to agree on a course of action, we'll start getting to net-zero right around the time that Elon leaves for Mars.
soco 5y ago
If there only was some international treaty for everybody to bind, maybe if we signed it in Paris...
- noxer 5y ago
  Its not global and it doesn't solve the problem it just make rich counties move most of their pollution to another place and cause more pollution in the end to avoid pollution taxes.

ratsforhorses 5y ago

I think if you can afford to show by example , you should... any penalty you incur makes you better prepared and more competitive for later...

nexuist 5y ago
Alternatively, investing in renewable energy is not a penalty at all. Whoever wins this technological race is eventually going to list every other country as a customer, because there will be no other choice when oil runs out. Behind the moral do-good-ness of corporate and state-backed environmental activism is a race to become the next Aramco.

lucb1e 5y ago

On an individual level, people make choices about climate change. For example solar panels or electric vehicle when not doing so would simply be easier or cheaper. Municipalities are looking at how to switch away from gas-based heating in houses, for example using district heat. Regional governments also play a role, though I don't remember by heart which were the kinds of things they decide on. Pretty sure it involved land use, for example where to place wind turbines, but I could be wrong. Until we have "global agreements involving the biggest players", I really don't think we should avoid making climate-impacting decisions on a national level. If we need to first get the whole planet to agree on a course of action, we'll start getting to net-zero right around the time that Elon leaves for Mars.

soco 5y ago

If there only was some international treaty for everybody to bind, maybe if we signed it in Paris...

noxer 5y ago
Its not global and it doesn't solve the problem it just make rich counties move most of their pollution to another place and cause more pollution in the end to avoid pollution taxes.