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I don't understand how to read some of these graphs, especially the Globally Online Users Trend. It says "NOT TO SCALE, PAY ATTENTION TO AXES", but the numbers

by Lammy 5y ago

I don't understand how to read some of these graphs, especially the Globally Online Users Trend. It says "NOT TO SCALE, PAY ATTENTION TO AXES", but the numbers don't even seem to add up. The Freenode Users line is around ~48k right now according to the hover-card and sits at 48k on the graph axis as expected. The Libera Users line represents ~31k users according to the hover-card but sits at 54k on the axis. I've seen stacked graphs before, but 48+31 isn't 54 so I am not sure if that's what it's trying to show. Maybe I need more sleep :(

kunagi7 5y ago
The left axis* has the online user count scale of freenode (46k - 56k), currently at 48k. The right axis* has the scale for libera (20k-36k) currently at 31.2k. It's a really confusing graph so maybe another kind of graph could represent this data better. * fixed!
- db48x 5y ago
  s/axe/axis/g
- lolinder 5y ago
  It doesn't need to be a different kind of graph, it just needs to use consistent axes. It's very weird to have the left and right labels be different when the units are the same. It'd be one thing if it were two different quantities being measured, but we're explicitly meant to be comparing Freenode to Libera.chat, so they should really be plotted on the same axis.
- Lammy 5y ago
  Oh I see. The right axis doesn't render properly and I assumed it was just some kind of glyph: https://i.imgur.com/t4CeS1u.png https://i.imgur.com/t4CeS1u.png
  - zzo38computer 5y ago
    The picture look like maybe the labels on the right axis are rendered with too thick fonts so that they are unreadable. Do you have the raw data from which the graph is produced (without JavaScripts or pictures)?
d23 5y ago
The graphs are pretty chaotic. Thankfully the headline one seems unambiguous and is what one might intuitively want to view.
megamegaman 5y ago
The trend graphs are deleted now. I don't think they were stacked, but dual-axis. It wasn't very clear.

by Lammy 5y ago

kunagi7 5y ago

The left axis* has the online user count scale of freenode (46k - 56k), currently at 48k. The right axis* has the scale for libera (20k-36k) currently at 31.2k. It's a really confusing graph so maybe another kind of graph could represent this data better. * fixed!

db48x 5y ago
s/axe/axis/g
lolinder 5y ago
It doesn't need to be a different kind of graph, it just needs to use consistent axes. It's very weird to have the left and right labels be different when the units are the same. It'd be one thing if it were two different quantities being measured, but we're explicitly meant to be comparing Freenode to Libera.chat, so they should really be plotted on the same axis.
Lammy 5y ago
Oh I see. The right axis doesn't render properly and I assumed it was just some kind of glyph: https://i.imgur.com/t4CeS1u.png https://i.imgur.com/t4CeS1u.png
- zzo38computer 5y ago
  The picture look like maybe the labels on the right axis are rendered with too thick fonts so that they are unreadable. Do you have the raw data from which the graph is produced (without JavaScripts or pictures)?

d23 5y ago

The graphs are pretty chaotic. Thankfully the headline one seems unambiguous and is what one might intuitively want to view.

megamegaman 5y ago

The trend graphs are deleted now. I don't think they were stacked, but dual-axis. It wasn't very clear.