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I think the social, rather than economic aspect is the most ardent. Whether it's ubi or some other policy, a lot of people's immediate concern is that it'll en

I think the social, rather than economic aspect is the most ardent. Whether it's ubi or some other policy, a lot of people's immediate concern is that it'll engage poor people's laziness. Reminds me of all those "how to run a household" manuals from the 19th century. Very classist instinct,imo. Burrito price inflation or even government costs are secondary. The suspicion that the poor are lazy and must be kept in line is primary.. often.

rektide 5y ago
To me, I really look forward to the higher order effects of not being forced into terrible jobs. I look forward very very much to seeing what emerges, what is innate in us, what we opt do for our own sake, when a little bit of laziness is a possibility. It's incredibly exciting to me to think of a society that has some time and space and safety for people to figure out what are good worthwhile ways to engage themselves. Oh yes, a lot of the people will waste away their time, wrap themselves around being gabbing social animals at each other 100%. I don't mind this. Especially after the domination of work culture I think this will be a bit prevalent, as escape finally becomes an option. But I expect a lot of people will be able to, for the first time, think about what they want to do, what might be meaningful or valuable to them, will try to contribute to society, culturally or with labor. I think we'll re-socialize "value" & our sense of human worth with incredible, vast diversification. There will emerge all manners of new role models, of new ways to engage the world, and especially over time, we'll see so much incredible value arise, such a better sense of what real, meaningful effort & work are, & that we'll grow enormously. Only because we decided to stop our pernicious economic exploitation of the poor. Because we made life no longer a perpetual ongoing terrifying crisis.
bellyfullofbac 5y ago
> The suspicion that the poor are lazy. Yeah, the idea/ideology that "If you work hard, you'll be successful" has the flip side that "If you're not successful, you haven't worked hard enough, i.e. you're lazy.": https://youtu.be/bTDGdKaMDhQ https://youtu.be/bTDGdKaMDhQ Most people who are successful got lucky once or twice along the way too...

rektide 5y ago

To me, I really look forward to the higher order effects of not being forced into terrible jobs. I look forward very very much to seeing what emerges, what is innate in us, what we opt do for our own sake, when a little bit of laziness is a possibility. It's incredibly exciting to me to think of a society that has some time and space and safety for people to figure out what are good worthwhile ways to engage themselves. Oh yes, a lot of the people will waste away their time, wrap themselves around being gabbing social animals at each other 100%. I don't mind this. Especially after the domination of work culture I think this will be a bit prevalent, as escape finally becomes an option. But I expect a lot of people will be able to, for the first time, think about what they want to do, what might be meaningful or valuable to them, will try to contribute to society, culturally or with labor. I think we'll re-socialize "value" & our sense of human worth with incredible, vast diversification. There will emerge all manners of new role models, of new ways to engage the world, and especially over time, we'll see so much incredible value arise, such a better sense of what real, meaningful effort & work are, & that we'll grow enormously. Only because we decided to stop our pernicious economic exploitation of the poor. Because we made life no longer a perpetual ongoing terrifying crisis.

bellyfullofbac 5y ago

> The suspicion that the poor are lazy. Yeah, the idea/ideology that "If you work hard, you'll be successful" has the flip side that "If you're not successful, you haven't worked hard enough, i.e. you're lazy.": https://youtu.be/bTDGdKaMDhQ https://youtu.be/bTDGdKaMDhQ Most people who are successful got lucky once or twice along the way too...