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And here I was thinking the beauty of IRC was that it's an open platform people can connect to however they like.
by lkramer 5y ago
And here I was thinking the beauty of IRC was that it's an open platform people can connect to however they like.
- smolder 5y agoThat's part of it, and may be the most important thing for Freenode, but is the self-hosted and non-centralized part really lost on HN readers?
- pmlnr 5y agoYou do realize Freenode, Libera, etc, all the big networks, are not self hosted, and that all traffic goes through them, right?
- smolder 5y ago"All traffic" only goes through them in aggregate, because they are separate. You're saying they're not "self-hosted" because... why? They are independently hosted, that's the same thing. So, I realize there are several big, but separate networks that are part of the makeup of the ircd space. IRCCloud is bigger and spreads across lots of them, including many of the small ones.
- chrisseaton 5y agoBy your argument Facebook is self-hosted because they host it themselves.
- squiggleblaz 5y agoThere's only one set of Facebook implementations. I think smoulder means "it's a documented protocol with competing client and server implementations" when they say "it's self hosted".
- smolder 5y agoThere's only one Facebook. Other groups and individuals apart from Freenode host their own ircds, so I consider ircd to be in the category of self-hosted things, even if sometimes it is a large "self" like Freenode.
- 867-5309 5y agoI detected a hint of sarcasm
- spacemanmatt 5y agoYou are correct. It's about choices, and the fact of irccloud not having the same choices a proprietary protocol/client vendor would have available to hurt users.