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Speak for yourself bud. We only have one life, and it is not for you to decide what other person should eat based on your moralist principles.

boston_clone 5y ago
from an ethical perspective, why wouldn’t you want to live in such a way that minimizes suffering?
- tengbretson 5y ago
  Animals in the wild die in ways that are orders of magnitude more gruesome than what occurs in a slaughterhouse.
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  - boston_clone 5y ago
    You may be unfamiliar with the activity that takes place in slaughterhouses, then. The other notable difference is that humans are directly responsible for slaughterhouses, and it's not a nutritional requirement. We don't lecture lions on any sort of ethics, now do we?
    - EvilEy3 5y ago
      > We don't lecture lions on any sort of ethics, now do we? Not yet, but we definitely should!
      - boston_clone 5y ago
        You’re welcome to lead by example, then.
    - tengbretson 5y ago
      > We don't lecture lions on any sort of ethics, now do we? Doesn't the fact that we can consider such things while lions cannot cement the fact that we have dominion over animals?
eigenket 5y ago
Moralist principles aren't really my issue here. Its kinda sad that animals suffer but I understand that not many people care about that. My issue is the massive ecological harm done by eating other animals compared to eating plants. Climate change and ecosystem collapse are real, concrete problems that are coming home to roost, and I find it incredibly sad that educated, prosperous people don't do the bare minimum they could to reduce these problems.
- lurquer 5y ago
  I want the climate to change. Why do you assume things you believe are ‘problems’ are problems to others?
  - revax 5y ago
    Here's one of many examples https://www.nature.com/articles/nclimate3322 https://www.nature.com/articles/nclimate3322 >Around 30% of the world’s population is currently exposed to climatic conditions exceeding this deadly threshold for at least 20 days a year. By 2100, this percentage is projected to increase to ∼48% under a scenario with drastic reductions of greenhouse gas emissions and ∼74% under a scenario of growing emissions.
    - EvilEy3 5y ago
      I still don't see how is it my problem?
      - eigenket 5y ago
        If not you, who else?
        EvilEy3 5y ago
        Not my problem who else?
wumpus 5y ago
It appears that he was speaking for himself.
- EvilEy3 5y ago
  No, he was saying we, implying that we [humans] have to take some responsibility or whatever grandiose idea he has in his mind.
  - wumpus 5y ago
    Uh, OK. Guess you get in a lot of fights on the Internet.
  - eigenket 5y ago
    Could you describe why you think its "grandiose" to try to take responsibility for the consequences of your own actions?

boston_clone 5y ago

from an ethical perspective, why wouldn’t you want to live in such a way that minimizes suffering?

tengbretson 5y ago
Animals in the wild die in ways that are orders of magnitude more gruesome than what occurs in a slaughterhouse.
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- boston_clone 5y ago
  You may be unfamiliar with the activity that takes place in slaughterhouses, then. The other notable difference is that humans are directly responsible for slaughterhouses, and it's not a nutritional requirement. We don't lecture lions on any sort of ethics, now do we?
  - EvilEy3 5y ago
    > We don't lecture lions on any sort of ethics, now do we? Not yet, but we definitely should!
    - boston_clone 5y ago
      You’re welcome to lead by example, then.
  - tengbretson 5y ago
    > We don't lecture lions on any sort of ethics, now do we? Doesn't the fact that we can consider such things while lions cannot cement the fact that we have dominion over animals?

eigenket 5y ago

Moralist principles aren't really my issue here. Its kinda sad that animals suffer but I understand that not many people care about that. My issue is the massive ecological harm done by eating other animals compared to eating plants. Climate change and ecosystem collapse are real, concrete problems that are coming home to roost, and I find it incredibly sad that educated, prosperous people don't do the bare minimum they could to reduce these problems.

lurquer 5y ago
I want the climate to change. Why do you assume things you believe are ‘problems’ are problems to others?
- revax 5y ago
  Here's one of many examples https://www.nature.com/articles/nclimate3322 https://www.nature.com/articles/nclimate3322 >Around 30% of the world’s population is currently exposed to climatic conditions exceeding this deadly threshold for at least 20 days a year. By 2100, this percentage is projected to increase to ∼48% under a scenario with drastic reductions of greenhouse gas emissions and ∼74% under a scenario of growing emissions.
  - EvilEy3 5y ago
    I still don't see how is it my problem?
    - eigenket 5y ago
      If not you, who else?
      - EvilEy3 5y ago
        Not my problem who else?

wumpus 5y ago

It appears that he was speaking for himself.

EvilEy3 5y ago
No, he was saying we, implying that we [humans] have to take some responsibility or whatever grandiose idea he has in his mind.
- wumpus 5y ago
  Uh, OK. Guess you get in a lot of fights on the Internet.
- eigenket 5y ago
  Could you describe why you think its "grandiose" to try to take responsibility for the consequences of your own actions?