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Care to explain how a private employer collecting telemetry data on their own computer system whom the employees are paid to work on would be violating human ri

by dsyrk 5y ago

Care to explain how a private employer collecting telemetry data on their own computer system whom the employees are paid to work on would be violating human rights and why would I feel pain or humiliation? We log everything in many situations. We also have full keylogging and all command logging via auditd. There is a lot of idealistic and childish responses to my approach, including yours. I’m not snooping anything by monitoring our computer systems in the way I do.

howaboutnope 5y ago
You treat people like toddlers, you can't even look them in the eye and tell them that, and then call me childish? Anything else, you anonymous coward? The fact that you can't tell that to the people you do it to says it all. No, I don't care to explain to you what was your responsibility to look into before you even put it into action. > I’m not snooping anything by monitoring our computer systems in the way I do. You just spoke of monitoring people, not systems. You spoke of "slackers". Now you're already backpedaling. I hope you get caught, and sued into the fucking ground.
- dsyrk 5y ago
  What in the world are you talking about? You honestly believe I can be sued for monitoring employee activity on a private businesses computer systems? The level of entitlement expressed by some HN commenters is unbelievable. Snooping would be somehow spying on their private computer or information not their usage of their work system. We have every right to record everything and anything. I’ve actually considered expanding it to include periodic screenshots, maybe once per minute. There is nothing for us to be “caught” you have no legal or ethical grounds. My guess is I’ve touched a nerve with you because you have realized if your manager could see such data then your scam might be up.
  - detaro 5y ago
    There are parts of the world where that is illegal, yes.
    - dsyrk 5y ago
      Really where? Certainly not in the United States and I don’t see any reason it should be illegal. Your an employee not a citizen.
      - davedrouin 5y ago
        This is illegal without employee consent in the EU and in most other civilized countries around the world.
        dsyrk 5y ago
        Can you provide a reference for that? I am logging the employee’s use of the corporate computer system that they don’t own and are being paid to work on. That is total nonsense it can be illegal, there is zero legal expectation of any privacy on a private companies computer systems. Why in the world should there be?
        gpm 5y ago
        In the EU, what you are claiming you do is illegal under the GDPR, you would be required to give prior notice at the very least. See the "notice" section starting at bottom 3 of this for the lay persons summary on the notice requirement (or read the whole thing to see what laws around this look like in Germany) https://www.bakermckenzie.com/-/media/files/people/lutz-holger/ar_germany_employeemonitoring_2019.pdf?la=en https://www.bakermckenzie.com/-/media/files/people/lutz-holg...
        dsyrk 5y ago
        Let’s pretend that the employee agreement doesn’t explicitly tell them that they should have no expectation of privacy and all their activities on the company computer system is monitored. It’s still not even remotely illegal under the laws in Germany according to your reference and my understanding. People are confusing video, audio, and communication surveillance with monitoring or surveillance of use of the computer. Of course governments have laws to protect privacy, they don’t want companies reading your private emails or text messages or taking pictures of you or recording your conversations, all while you were unaware. Notice for all that to be legal you just have to clearly notify them so they can potentially not consent, probably almost always can be fired if they don’t anyway. The idea that a WFH remote access system that monitors if the employee is actually using the system and that monitoring is used by managers to review if the employee actually did WFH or not is somehow privacy invading is ridiculous. The most interesting part of this whole discussion is the intense reaction of people. We kinda know there are a whole bunch of HN reeders who are suddenly freaking out when they consider their manager/boss might be able to see what I’m describing, and tbh there really might be some who can, it’s very likely.

by dsyrk 5y ago

howaboutnope 5y ago

You treat people like toddlers, you can't even look them in the eye and tell them that, and then call me childish? Anything else, you anonymous coward? The fact that you can't tell that to the people you do it to says it all. No, I don't care to explain to you what was your responsibility to look into before you even put it into action. > I’m not snooping anything by monitoring our computer systems in the way I do. You just spoke of monitoring people, not systems. You spoke of "slackers". Now you're already backpedaling. I hope you get caught, and sued into the fucking ground.

dsyrk 5y ago
What in the world are you talking about? You honestly believe I can be sued for monitoring employee activity on a private businesses computer systems? The level of entitlement expressed by some HN commenters is unbelievable. Snooping would be somehow spying on their private computer or information not their usage of their work system. We have every right to record everything and anything. I’ve actually considered expanding it to include periodic screenshots, maybe once per minute. There is nothing for us to be “caught” you have no legal or ethical grounds. My guess is I’ve touched a nerve with you because you have realized if your manager could see such data then your scam might be up.
- detaro 5y ago
  There are parts of the world where that is illegal, yes.
  - dsyrk 5y ago
    Really where? Certainly not in the United States and I don’t see any reason it should be illegal. Your an employee not a citizen.
    - davedrouin 5y ago
      This is illegal without employee consent in the EU and in most other civilized countries around the world.
      - dsyrk 5y ago
        Can you provide a reference for that? I am logging the employee’s use of the corporate computer system that they don’t own and are being paid to work on. That is total nonsense it can be illegal, there is zero legal expectation of any privacy on a private companies computer systems. Why in the world should there be?
        gpm 5y ago
        In the EU, what you are claiming you do is illegal under the GDPR, you would be required to give prior notice at the very least. See the "notice" section starting at bottom 3 of this for the lay persons summary on the notice requirement (or read the whole thing to see what laws around this look like in Germany) https://www.bakermckenzie.com/-/media/files/people/lutz-holger/ar_germany_employeemonitoring_2019.pdf?la=en https://www.bakermckenzie.com/-/media/files/people/lutz-holg...
        dsyrk 5y ago
        Let’s pretend that the employee agreement doesn’t explicitly tell them that they should have no expectation of privacy and all their activities on the company computer system is monitored. It’s still not even remotely illegal under the laws in Germany according to your reference and my understanding. People are confusing video, audio, and communication surveillance with monitoring or surveillance of use of the computer. Of course governments have laws to protect privacy, they don’t want companies reading your private emails or text messages or taking pictures of you or recording your conversations, all while you were unaware. Notice for all that to be legal you just have to clearly notify them so they can potentially not consent, probably almost always can be fired if they don’t anyway. The idea that a WFH remote access system that monitors if the employee is actually using the system and that monitoring is used by managers to review if the employee actually did WFH or not is somehow privacy invading is ridiculous. The most interesting part of this whole discussion is the intense reaction of people. We kinda know there are a whole bunch of HN reeders who are suddenly freaking out when they consider their manager/boss might be able to see what I’m describing, and tbh there really might be some who can, it’s very likely.