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Personally, I don't mind having all my data harvested. I'm aware this is a hot button issue on HN that keeps getting people outraged, again and again, but belie

by cs2733 5y ago

Personally, I don't mind having all my data harvested. I'm aware this is a hot button issue on HN that keeps getting people outraged, again and again, but believe that eventually people will start shrugging about how invasive technology can be. Ultimately things are moving towards the end of privacy and even (within 50? 100 years?) the end of ownership. I don't see how a civilization that can - easily and with currently available means - house, clothe and feed everyone on the planet, can sometimes be so lost on petty issues as we do (myself included). I'm more concerned with the health hazards posed by modern technology and industrial processes - but that's me and the reality I subscribe to.

apocalypstyx 5y ago
> the end of ownership I think it more likely the acceleration of ownership. Near-infinite copyright, patented math, the trend has been more greatly in one direction than the other. Even the nature of FOSS/Creative Commons relies on this (even as many suppose it to be breaking free of it). (As someone from some documentary I can't fully recall put it: we will not be free and the world will not be fixed until every square inch of it is owned privately.) In previous western society, it was acceptable to own the physical human being. The investment was in ontology. But now the investment is moving towards epistemology. People are data. Own the data, own people.
wyxuan 5y ago
Here ye, here ye. It's just the direction things will go towards, and I know most other people will feel uncomfortable(and so do I) but I think it'll be something that could be changed by changing societal expectations. An analogy could be that 100 years ago the outrage was over women wearing revealing clothing and how it would affect the purity of society, but now attitudes have changed and now we barely blink an eye.
tacitusarc 5y ago
Someone will always own it, it just won’t be you.
- est31 5y ago
  Someone will always have privacy, it just won't be you.
leppr 5y ago
Things are not moving towards the generalized end of privacy and ownership. That may be the case for a specific subset of the population (the 99 percenters), but overall things are simply moving towards a centralization in information availability and asset ownership. The "elites" (sorry for the boogeyman word Overton window'd out of acceptable use, but it's accurate) own more and more, know more and more about you and your peers, and you still don't know anything about them, or have any democratic control over them. For someone presumably working in the information industry, calling privacy a petty issue is an interesting opinion, when data is the underlying lifeblood of most of our businesses.
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throwawayboise 5y ago
> Ultimately things are moving towards the end of privacy and even (within 50? 100 years?) the end of ownership Yeah we've actually already tried that a few times. It's never ended well.
gryfft 5y ago
Every time I see this take, I imagine Lenny saying "Goodbye, dental plan!" We'll all be toothless sooner or later. Why not abolish dental hygiene and medicine altogether? Think of the savings.
cheschire 5y ago
Privacy is a 1 dimensional spectrum which runs from living in isolation on one end to living under thought police on the other end. You cannot move towards the end of privacy without losing control over your thoughts. In the world you're describing, everything everyone says will be recorded. Neural networking will be used to process tone and read body language to determine your thoughts before you even consciously recognize them. As a child you will be trained to recognize and halt bad thinking subconsciously. Consider the episode of The Office where Jim is offered the position of branch manager, and he turns it down because he thinks everything's working fine without a branch manager so why have one? Never pass up the chance to take an active role in sustaining a good thing. If you feel the balance of privacy is good today, take an active role to ensure it slips no further, or else someone with more ambition than you will gladly push that point along the line a little further.
belter 5y ago
Please allow me to express my shock that you can even formulate this statement. Can you not see the dangers that, as you are profiled, and data gets correlated across providers, you will be subject to levels of discrimination you can not foresee ? Some simple examples: - You live at a certain location and looking to move ? A certain provider will decide not to show you jobs if you happen to live at a certain neighborhood ( Already happening...) - You live at a neighborhood somehow less respectable, or respectable but where inhabitants are considered more prone to have car accidents ? -> Your car insurance will be more expensive - You are deemed to cruise through McDonalds once in a while ? -> Your health insurance will be more expensive... - You happen to be correlated to a certain group a people due to data location ? Even if you do not know these persons ? ->You are likely to be inquired by the police if you know anything or have seen anything ... -> You share when you have your meals or you consume less meals ? - You will be classified as probably part of a certain religious group - You spend a certain time in a certain hospital department ? -> Your current health status will be shared with your current employer, dooming your chances of promotion... -You spend a certain amount time at certain bars, entertainment venues or restaurants within your town ? -> Your sexual preferences will be inferred... Privacy guarantees,liberty and peace, plus societal opportunities are the defining fights of these times. To see a statement like this, frankly inspires both sadness and concern.
DrScump 5y ago
the end of ownership Maybe you'll stop owning stuff, but your self-interest will be owned.

by cs2733 5y ago

apocalypstyx 5y ago

> the end of ownership I think it more likely the acceleration of ownership. Near-infinite copyright, patented math, the trend has been more greatly in one direction than the other. Even the nature of FOSS/Creative Commons relies on this (even as many suppose it to be breaking free of it). (As someone from some documentary I can't fully recall put it: we will not be free and the world will not be fixed until every square inch of it is owned privately.) In previous western society, it was acceptable to own the physical human being. The investment was in ontology. But now the investment is moving towards epistemology. People are data. Own the data, own people.

wyxuan 5y ago

Here ye, here ye. It's just the direction things will go towards, and I know most other people will feel uncomfortable(and so do I) but I think it'll be something that could be changed by changing societal expectations. An analogy could be that 100 years ago the outrage was over women wearing revealing clothing and how it would affect the purity of society, but now attitudes have changed and now we barely blink an eye.

tacitusarc 5y ago

Someone will always own it, it just won’t be you.

est31 5y ago
Someone will always have privacy, it just won't be you.

leppr 5y ago

Things are not moving towards the generalized end of privacy and ownership. That may be the case for a specific subset of the population (the 99 percenters), but overall things are simply moving towards a centralization in information availability and asset ownership. The "elites" (sorry for the boogeyman word Overton window'd out of acceptable use, but it's accurate) own more and more, know more and more about you and your peers, and you still don't know anything about them, or have any democratic control over them. For someone presumably working in the information industry, calling privacy a petty issue is an interesting opinion, when data is the underlying lifeblood of most of our businesses.

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throwawayboise 5y ago

> Ultimately things are moving towards the end of privacy and even (within 50? 100 years?) the end of ownership Yeah we've actually already tried that a few times. It's never ended well.

gryfft 5y ago

Every time I see this take, I imagine Lenny saying "Goodbye, dental plan!" We'll all be toothless sooner or later. Why not abolish dental hygiene and medicine altogether? Think of the savings.

cheschire 5y ago

Privacy is a 1 dimensional spectrum which runs from living in isolation on one end to living under thought police on the other end. You cannot move towards the end of privacy without losing control over your thoughts. In the world you're describing, everything everyone says will be recorded. Neural networking will be used to process tone and read body language to determine your thoughts before you even consciously recognize them. As a child you will be trained to recognize and halt bad thinking subconsciously. Consider the episode of The Office where Jim is offered the position of branch manager, and he turns it down because he thinks everything's working fine without a branch manager so why have one? Never pass up the chance to take an active role in sustaining a good thing. If you feel the balance of privacy is good today, take an active role to ensure it slips no further, or else someone with more ambition than you will gladly push that point along the line a little further.

belter 5y ago

Please allow me to express my shock that you can even formulate this statement. Can you not see the dangers that, as you are profiled, and data gets correlated across providers, you will be subject to levels of discrimination you can not foresee ? Some simple examples: - You live at a certain location and looking to move ? A certain provider will decide not to show you jobs if you happen to live at a certain neighborhood ( Already happening...) - You live at a neighborhood somehow less respectable, or respectable but where inhabitants are considered more prone to have car accidents ? -> Your car insurance will be more expensive - You are deemed to cruise through McDonalds once in a while ? -> Your health insurance will be more expensive... - You happen to be correlated to a certain group a people due to data location ? Even if you do not know these persons ? ->You are likely to be inquired by the police if you know anything or have seen anything ... -> You share when you have your meals or you consume less meals ? - You will be classified as probably part of a certain religious group - You spend a certain time in a certain hospital department ? -> Your current health status will be shared with your current employer, dooming your chances of promotion... -You spend a certain amount time at certain bars, entertainment venues or restaurants within your town ? -> Your sexual preferences will be inferred... Privacy guarantees,liberty and peace, plus societal opportunities are the defining fights of these times. To see a statement like this, frankly inspires both sadness and concern.

DrScump 5y ago

the end of ownership Maybe you'll stop owning stuff, but your self-interest will be owned.