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they are came from somewhere too, nobody owns the city. It is ridiculous when you see some locals tell white people to "go back to Ohio". Their parents came

they are came from somewhere too, nobody owns the city. It is ridiculous when you see some locals tell white people to "go back to Ohio". Their parents came from somewhere else and had to face the same thing. Typical story of the bullied becoming a bully.

Ericson2314 5y ago
I'm not anti-migration, but it's also not ridiculous. The inadequacy of there being enough construction means rents go up, especially with the recent past being so much cheaper due to white flight it's a hard bar to meet. Without enough construction we can even ignore rents/prices, and say if people arrive (a smaller number of) people also need to leave. If NYC doesn't want this quasi-0-sum dynamic, it needs to build a lot more than it has. Back to the original sentiment, being gentrified by people who are themselves going to leave after a few years has a certain extra sting to it, I can only imagine.
- epistasis 5y ago
  Is the lack of construction the fault of the people arriving, or of the people that have lived there a long time and have set the political agenda? Folks who bemoan the loss of what they have known but also at the same time refuse to allow more space for population growth are causing the very problems that they complain about. I'm on a different coast, but have lost so many friends that don't have high powered careers, and it stings really hard. But it's not the fault of people moving into my town. It's 100% the fault of the people who are unwelcoming and falsely believe that if they preserve physical structures it will somehow help the people with less economic power.
  - Ericson2314 5y ago
    > Is the lack of construction the fault of the people arriving No! > or of the people that have lived there a long time and have set the political agenda? Hardly less so! Why we don't build more is a complex issue with failures on all levels of government, and it's certainly not something New Yorkers specifically asked for. Rich NIMBYs complaining are damn hypocrites and the worse sure, but the type of New York Eric Adams (fuck him, to be clear) was ostencibly trying to appeal has no power over this stuff. Remember NYC is still a 1-party state shit show with way to many "veto points". It's structurally quite hard to do anything. I think the best way out is mix-rate public housing. Public housing that looses money because it's only the poorest is stupid and doomed to fail. Mix rate so it can pay for itself but no "extractive" profit is much more sustainable, i.e. can survive right-wing state and federal governments. I don't know anywhere that has enough housing in good dense locations with just the private sector.

Ericson2314 5y ago

I'm not anti-migration, but it's also not ridiculous. The inadequacy of there being enough construction means rents go up, especially with the recent past being so much cheaper due to white flight it's a hard bar to meet. Without enough construction we can even ignore rents/prices, and say if people arrive (a smaller number of) people also need to leave. If NYC doesn't want this quasi-0-sum dynamic, it needs to build a lot more than it has. Back to the original sentiment, being gentrified by people who are themselves going to leave after a few years has a certain extra sting to it, I can only imagine.

epistasis 5y ago
Is the lack of construction the fault of the people arriving, or of the people that have lived there a long time and have set the political agenda? Folks who bemoan the loss of what they have known but also at the same time refuse to allow more space for population growth are causing the very problems that they complain about. I'm on a different coast, but have lost so many friends that don't have high powered careers, and it stings really hard. But it's not the fault of people moving into my town. It's 100% the fault of the people who are unwelcoming and falsely believe that if they preserve physical structures it will somehow help the people with less economic power.
- Ericson2314 5y ago
  > Is the lack of construction the fault of the people arriving No! > or of the people that have lived there a long time and have set the political agenda? Hardly less so! Why we don't build more is a complex issue with failures on all levels of government, and it's certainly not something New Yorkers specifically asked for. Rich NIMBYs complaining are damn hypocrites and the worse sure, but the type of New York Eric Adams (fuck him, to be clear) was ostencibly trying to appeal has no power over this stuff. Remember NYC is still a 1-party state shit show with way to many "veto points". It's structurally quite hard to do anything. I think the best way out is mix-rate public housing. Public housing that looses money because it's only the poorest is stupid and doomed to fail. Mix rate so it can pay for itself but no "extractive" profit is much more sustainable, i.e. can survive right-wing state and federal governments. I don't know anywhere that has enough housing in good dense locations with just the private sector.