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> but management is insistent on disallowing WFH I think a lot of management will be out of a job in the future, and they are grasping for control. Not saying

> but management is insistent on disallowing WFH I think a lot of management will be out of a job in the future, and they are grasping for control. Not saying we don't need managers, just that there are lots of fat that can be removed, and people have noticed lots of the managers weren't needed or invisible when WFH.

trebligdivad 5y ago
Having worked from home for ~8 years, I don't think it actually makes that much difference - you still end up with a manager who is responsible for making sure they can handle problems you have or about you and asking you to do things, and you still have managers associated with the projects you work on (those may or not be in any way related). The ones who randomly rearrange the seating however can disappear.
- dvtrn 5y ago
  The ones who randomly rearrange the seating however can disappear. Reads to me like this is the exact chaff being separated from the wheat in the parent comment, and you know what: good. The less managers like that, the better for labor and the workforce at large IMO. I think a few of us have had that manager and hopefully learned how not to lead and motivate people.
- me_here_alone 5y ago
  I am a manager that has been full-time WAH for 15+ years. A leader who understands their role should be empowering people to do their jobs, and providing them the tools they need to do it, be it in the office, at home, or on another planet even. That's what leaders do. If they think their job is to monitor and micromanage their teams, then they are not leaders, just bad managers. Leaders see the value in employees creating a situation where they increase their productivity. I really don't care where my employees work as long as they meet clearly defined goals and objectives. They know what they need to do, and I trust them to figure out how best to accomplish it!
silvestrov 5y ago
Just like with developers there is a huge difference between a mediocre and a splendid manager, both in productivity and how nice they are to work with. WFH just makes the difference much more obvious.

trebligdivad 5y ago

Having worked from home for ~8 years, I don't think it actually makes that much difference - you still end up with a manager who is responsible for making sure they can handle problems you have or about you and asking you to do things, and you still have managers associated with the projects you work on (those may or not be in any way related). The ones who randomly rearrange the seating however can disappear.

dvtrn 5y ago
The ones who randomly rearrange the seating however can disappear. Reads to me like this is the exact chaff being separated from the wheat in the parent comment, and you know what: good. The less managers like that, the better for labor and the workforce at large IMO. I think a few of us have had that manager and hopefully learned how not to lead and motivate people.
me_here_alone 5y ago
I am a manager that has been full-time WAH for 15+ years. A leader who understands their role should be empowering people to do their jobs, and providing them the tools they need to do it, be it in the office, at home, or on another planet even. That's what leaders do. If they think their job is to monitor and micromanage their teams, then they are not leaders, just bad managers. Leaders see the value in employees creating a situation where they increase their productivity. I really don't care where my employees work as long as they meet clearly defined goals and objectives. They know what they need to do, and I trust them to figure out how best to accomplish it!

silvestrov 5y ago

Just like with developers there is a huge difference between a mediocre and a splendid manager, both in productivity and how nice they are to work with. WFH just makes the difference much more obvious.