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I thought you meant banning speech of your political enemies is unhinged from reality until I realised you meant the opposite

azinman2 5y ago
https://cyber.harvard.edu/node/99982 https://cyber.harvard.edu/node/99982 Just one of many analyses that have showed how the right in the US has majorly gained from being able to share misinformation and live in filter bubbles by platforms like Facebook and Twitter. The idea that Twitter/FB have political enemies is not supported by how they’ve been used, and is inviting an over-politicization of American life. They’re private businesses… not political affiliates.
jayd16 5y ago
It is though. Imagine if every online forum was forced to promote government propaganda. That's not free speech. So to some degree, forum discretion is speech.
- stale2002 5y ago
  Just imagine if every telephone companies was prevented from discriminating on the basis of the speech.... Oh wait, that is literally how common carrier laws work. They are basically, forced to sell to everyone, and have to allow anyone to make speech over their network.
  - jayd16 5y ago
    Not everything is a common carrier and I don't think it should be.
    - stale2002 5y ago
      I didn't say that everything is a common carrier. Instead, I am pointing out the ridiculousness of saying that every single instance of the governement "enforcing" speech, in the context of powerful platforms, is somehow some huge infringement on free speech. Because clearly, we are OK with the government requiring phone companies, which are platforms, into allow most people to make phone calls. Therefore, you cannot come out, swinging very hard, with this free speech stuff, when, if I were to guess, you are totally OK with phone companies being covered under common carrier laws. So you need to either chill with this whole "free speech" argument, or you need to instead come out and say that common carriers are some horrible, really evil thing. Pick one.

azinman2 5y ago

https://cyber.harvard.edu/node/99982 https://cyber.harvard.edu/node/99982 Just one of many analyses that have showed how the right in the US has majorly gained from being able to share misinformation and live in filter bubbles by platforms like Facebook and Twitter. The idea that Twitter/FB have political enemies is not supported by how they’ve been used, and is inviting an over-politicization of American life. They’re private businesses… not political affiliates.

jayd16 5y ago

It is though. Imagine if every online forum was forced to promote government propaganda. That's not free speech. So to some degree, forum discretion is speech.

stale2002 5y ago
Just imagine if every telephone companies was prevented from discriminating on the basis of the speech.... Oh wait, that is literally how common carrier laws work. They are basically, forced to sell to everyone, and have to allow anyone to make speech over their network.
- jayd16 5y ago
  Not everything is a common carrier and I don't think it should be.
  - stale2002 5y ago
    I didn't say that everything is a common carrier. Instead, I am pointing out the ridiculousness of saying that every single instance of the governement "enforcing" speech, in the context of powerful platforms, is somehow some huge infringement on free speech. Because clearly, we are OK with the government requiring phone companies, which are platforms, into allow most people to make phone calls. Therefore, you cannot come out, swinging very hard, with this free speech stuff, when, if I were to guess, you are totally OK with phone companies being covered under common carrier laws. So you need to either chill with this whole "free speech" argument, or you need to instead come out and say that common carriers are some horrible, really evil thing. Pick one.