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There's some major projection going on here. You're wrong again, both with your interpretations and what it means to worship something. Let's unpack: adultery

by vxNsr 5y ago

There's some major projection going on here. You're wrong again, both with your interpretations and what it means to worship something. Let's unpack: adultery in this context doesn't mean premarital sex, it means sex with someone who is already married. And in the context of the bible, you are likely married to your gf so actually you're already keeping this one, good job! > And the "dont't covet" verse is also great: don't covet your neighbour's property (already this is problematic but okay), which includes: cattle, his donkey, his wife, or his servants. This is just false. commandment 9 is don't covet neighbor's wife and commandment 10 is don't covet neighbor's property. > I don't want to worship a set of commandments This isn't about choice my friend: You don't get to choose to obey the "laws" of gravity. They just are, whether you agree with them or not they are the laws of the universe. god's commandments are the same. whether your small mind is able to comprehend what they mean or not the laws will make you a better and happier person (which just based on this thread you clearly are still in search of). Truthfully though, the 10 commandments don't even apply to you as a gentile. you only need to worry about the 7 noahide laws, and those are honestly a lot easier, because they all just boil down to: don't be a dick. [Admittedly, you might still have trouble with the first 2 because they also deal with accepting a higher power, and you seem bent on believing despite all evidence to the contrary that you alone control the universe. If you've ever been part of AA you'd know that accepting there is a power other than you in control is essential to happiness and satisfaction in life]

colinmhayes 5y ago
"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them." You can't tell me the bibles moral framework is reasonable when it says to kill gay people.
- vxNsr 5y ago
  Hello red herring, how are you today, no I don’t think I’ll have any, thank you
  - dang 5y ago
    Perpetuating flamewars on HN like this will get you banned here. No more of this, please. We've already had to warn you several times in the past about breaking the site guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- dang 5y ago
  Please do not take HN threads further into the hell of religious flamewar. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
andrepd 5y ago
Your complete lack of self awareness makes me understand this conversation will go nowhere, so perhaps we'd better stop here. You don't get to cherry pick what you like and what you don't like. Your funny book says this, verbatim (NRSV): “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”. Therefore putting oxen, donkey, slaves, and wives on the same category: your property. So regarding this: > This is just false. commandment 9 is don't covet neighbor's wife and commandment 10 is don't covet neighbor's property. I suggest you learn more about your own religion and realise there's no numbering in the bible, it's only a matter of tradition, and some traditions divide it one way and other another (summary table: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments#Numbering https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments#Numbering). Regarding adultery: opinions are divided about what it means (already a sign that perhaps such a vague, easily misinterpreted passage might not be the eternal perfect word of god...). Influent people such as St Paul or Calvin say it refers to relations outside a formally declared marriage. And citing Corinthians 6: “Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.” therefore putting thieves and fraudsters in the same category as me as a homosexual "adulterer". > you seem bent on believing despite all evidence to the contrary that you alone control the universe Aaaaaaaaaaaa! The lack of self-awareness is out of this world! Precisely it's you who claim that the universe, the stars, all laws of nature, and our own tiny tiny rock floating through space, were made for YOU and that YOU are the centre of the universe! You can't get any more megalomaniacal than that :) Here's a suggestion: contemplate this https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Pale_Blue_Dot.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Pale_Blu... while listening to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F2NeH_-f34 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F2NeH_-f34 PS: > If you've ever been part of AA you'd know that accepting there is a power other than you in control is essential to happiness and satisfaction in life I had happiness and satisfaction in life when I embraced Humanism in detriment of religion. I like the person which I am today! So I'm happy for you that you're happy with your religion, so long as it doesn't motivate you to evil. But please kindly refrain from insulting other people who don't share your views.
- 5y ago

by vxNsr 5y ago

colinmhayes 5y ago

"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them." You can't tell me the bibles moral framework is reasonable when it says to kill gay people.

vxNsr 5y ago
Hello red herring, how are you today, no I don’t think I’ll have any, thank you
- dang 5y ago
  Perpetuating flamewars on HN like this will get you banned here. No more of this, please. We've already had to warn you several times in the past about breaking the site guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
dang 5y ago
Please do not take HN threads further into the hell of religious flamewar. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

andrepd 5y ago

Your complete lack of self awareness makes me understand this conversation will go nowhere, so perhaps we'd better stop here. You don't get to cherry pick what you like and what you don't like. Your funny book says this, verbatim (NRSV): “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”. Therefore putting oxen, donkey, slaves, and wives on the same category: your property. So regarding this: > This is just false. commandment 9 is don't covet neighbor's wife and commandment 10 is don't covet neighbor's property. I suggest you learn more about your own religion and realise there's no numbering in the bible, it's only a matter of tradition, and some traditions divide it one way and other another (summary table: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments#Numbering https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments#Numbering). Regarding adultery: opinions are divided about what it means (already a sign that perhaps such a vague, easily misinterpreted passage might not be the eternal perfect word of god...). Influent people such as St Paul or Calvin say it refers to relations outside a formally declared marriage. And citing Corinthians 6: “Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.” therefore putting thieves and fraudsters in the same category as me as a homosexual "adulterer". > you seem bent on believing despite all evidence to the contrary that you alone control the universe Aaaaaaaaaaaa! The lack of self-awareness is out of this world! Precisely it's you who claim that the universe, the stars, all laws of nature, and our own tiny tiny rock floating through space, were made for YOU and that YOU are the centre of the universe! You can't get any more megalomaniacal than that :) Here's a suggestion: contemplate this https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Pale_Blue_Dot.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Pale_Blu... while listening to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F2NeH_-f34 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F2NeH_-f34 PS: > If you've ever been part of AA you'd know that accepting there is a power other than you in control is essential to happiness and satisfaction in life I had happiness and satisfaction in life when I embraced Humanism in detriment of religion. I like the person which I am today! So I'm happy for you that you're happy with your religion, so long as it doesn't motivate you to evil. But please kindly refrain from insulting other people who don't share your views.

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