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Yes and the trend then continued through 90s,00s and 10s. There is a stark difference in the people I know in NYC who moved in later than early/mid 2000s which

Yes and the trend then continued through 90s,00s and 10s. There is a stark difference in the people I know in NYC who moved in later than early/mid 2000s which aligns roughly with your 40s cutoff. The before people all have stories of being robbed/mugged/assaulted and/or having friends who experienced the same. The cutoff varies by where the people moved in as some areas stayed rougher longer. Most people I know after have not experienced nor know anyone who has experienced this. This is especially true of zoomers / young millennials who moved into more cloistered neighborhoods in doormen buildings.. It gives people a very different perspective on the recent catch&release bail reform (which despite what people assumed, does apply to violent crimes), not prosecuting turnstile jumpers, end of stop&frisk, etc). The pushback seems to be coming now that the surge in violence has spilled out of the poorer neighborhoods into areas where the more comfortable live/work/shop/leisure.

lotsofpulp 5y ago
>There is a stark difference in the people I know in NYC who moved in later than early/mid 2000s which aligns roughly with your 40s cutoff. >The before people all have stories of being robbed/mugged/assaulted and/or having friends who experienced the same. I moved to NYC in early 2000s and I can vouch for not having stories of being robbed/mugged/assaulted. Even after many very late nights out, I do not recall even seeing a fight in Manhattan. It was basically Disneyworld and I had no idea why an older person would be impressed when I would suggest walking around at night alone in NYC. I left a few years ago, and it was still pretty safe, although over the years, the homeless population had started to grow in Manhattan, especially after Bloomberg's reign in my opinion.
- dougmwne 5y ago
  I have never lived in NYC, but did spend time in SF in 2015. I'm fascinated by these descriptions of pre-2000 NYC because they are so close to my experience in SF. I experienced several close calls and situations I would have never gotten close to in DC. One day I decided to take a stroll from Powell to 16th St. Mission and it was more like stumbling through a refugee camp. I heard ubiquitous stories of muggings, assaults and even one murder from friends and coworkers in the span of just a few months. One story that sticks in my mind is a coworker watching an elderly man being badly beaten in Oakland near where I was living at the time. Everything I have read and heard tells me SF has gotten worse in the past 5 years.

lotsofpulp 5y ago

>There is a stark difference in the people I know in NYC who moved in later than early/mid 2000s which aligns roughly with your 40s cutoff. >The before people all have stories of being robbed/mugged/assaulted and/or having friends who experienced the same. I moved to NYC in early 2000s and I can vouch for not having stories of being robbed/mugged/assaulted. Even after many very late nights out, I do not recall even seeing a fight in Manhattan. It was basically Disneyworld and I had no idea why an older person would be impressed when I would suggest walking around at night alone in NYC. I left a few years ago, and it was still pretty safe, although over the years, the homeless population had started to grow in Manhattan, especially after Bloomberg's reign in my opinion.

dougmwne 5y ago
I have never lived in NYC, but did spend time in SF in 2015. I'm fascinated by these descriptions of pre-2000 NYC because they are so close to my experience in SF. I experienced several close calls and situations I would have never gotten close to in DC. One day I decided to take a stroll from Powell to 16th St. Mission and it was more like stumbling through a refugee camp. I heard ubiquitous stories of muggings, assaults and even one murder from friends and coworkers in the span of just a few months. One story that sticks in my mind is a coworker watching an elderly man being badly beaten in Oakland near where I was living at the time. Everything I have read and heard tells me SF has gotten worse in the past 5 years.