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That is combination of great points. Most of those niche stuff sits in Facebook groups, I bet there are quite a lot of naturist/whatver groups there (probably

by ozim 5y ago

That is combination of great points. Most of those niche stuff sits in Facebook groups, I bet there are quite a lot of naturist/whatver groups there (probably not posting photos but organizing events or discussing stuff), you have to follow right people on fb/tt/yt. The creativity is there, for me author of that post misses forest for the trees. Web pages are just secondary artifacts. I don't want my favorite band members sitting in the evening messing with HTML I want them to make music. Counter culture is about people and what they want to express, sometimes it might be important "how", but for a lot of hobbies "how" is not that much important as long as it is clear and easy to do. This is why I don't miss "old internet", people are crafty and interesting anyway.

mschuster91 5y ago
> Counter culture is about people and what they want to express, sometimes it might be important "how", but for a lot of hobbies "how" is not that much important as long as it is clear and easy to do. The danger is that a lot of counter-culture movements aren't exactly welcomed by the major providers. Anything involving sex or sexuality - no matter if nudists, swingers, poly-amory, LGBT, fetish beyond 50SOG-style or sex work - has massive risk of getting booted off the internet, as a result of legal requirements (FOSTA/SESTA, child protection laws), credit card regulations or Evangelical fundamentalist pressure. Anything involving drugs faces similar risks (I'm actually surprised Erowid hasn't been shut down), as is anything going too far anti-capitalist (see e.g. Pirate Bay, SciHub, but also Occupy Wall Street or u/DeepF.ckingValue being dragged in front of Congress after the $GME shenanigans).
- ozim 5y ago
  Is it a danger? What is the upside of having nudist/sex-workers/poly amory group having millions of followers? For all of those activities it is best to keep it in small trusted groups of people. If you are really dedicated to that stuff you will find your way. Then is it really a counter culture if it can have millions of followers?
  - mschuster91 5y ago
    Relying on centralized entities is a danger for the movements themselves, as the nsfw community found out when Tumblr banned all of that virtually overnight. Or when PornHub banned everything not commercial (I do understand that this was due to revenge porn, which PH had ignored for years, but doesn't change the side effects!)

by ozim 5y ago

mschuster91 5y ago

> Counter culture is about people and what they want to express, sometimes it might be important "how", but for a lot of hobbies "how" is not that much important as long as it is clear and easy to do. The danger is that a lot of counter-culture movements aren't exactly welcomed by the major providers. Anything involving sex or sexuality - no matter if nudists, swingers, poly-amory, LGBT, fetish beyond 50SOG-style or sex work - has massive risk of getting booted off the internet, as a result of legal requirements (FOSTA/SESTA, child protection laws), credit card regulations or Evangelical fundamentalist pressure. Anything involving drugs faces similar risks (I'm actually surprised Erowid hasn't been shut down), as is anything going too far anti-capitalist (see e.g. Pirate Bay, SciHub, but also Occupy Wall Street or u/DeepF.ckingValue being dragged in front of Congress after the $GME shenanigans).

ozim 5y ago
Is it a danger? What is the upside of having nudist/sex-workers/poly amory group having millions of followers? For all of those activities it is best to keep it in small trusted groups of people. If you are really dedicated to that stuff you will find your way. Then is it really a counter culture if it can have millions of followers?
- mschuster91 5y ago
  Relying on centralized entities is a danger for the movements themselves, as the nsfw community found out when Tumblr banned all of that virtually overnight. Or when PornHub banned everything not commercial (I do understand that this was due to revenge porn, which PH had ignored for years, but doesn't change the side effects!)