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Yes, but as an employer I use both external recruiters, as well as an in-house recruiter, and we all talk to eachother. Recruiters don't operate in a vacuum. It

Yes, but as an employer I use both external recruiters, as well as an in-house recruiter, and we all talk to eachother. Recruiters don't operate in a vacuum. It's really no skin off the recruiter's nose if you choose to be difficult: you just won't get any further. Remember that I'm using them to offload some of the considerable effort required to find good candidates who are worth talking to. The context of the GP post is getting back to a recruiter to find out more about a job, which suggests you're at least interested in that job. If you are interested, you need to be at least somewhat accommodating. Yes, they reached out to you, but now you're getting back to them? Why are you doing this unless you're interested? If you're not interested, either ignore them or send a polite decline. Expressing interest whilst simultaneously coming off as difficult and entitled does you no favours. Recruiters will often have a bunch of people who get back to them to express interest for any given role and will, in addition, be responsible for multiple roles. Having a quick call with somebody is generally quicker than responding by email, which is probably the main reason they ask for a call. Doesn't mean you can't do the call at a time of mutual convenience - that's obviously fine. > Moreover, unless your business is basic webdev or your skill requirements are very low, I have a hard time believing you are turning down lots of candidates. It's brutal out there for those trying to hire. This is definately not a buyers market, it's a seller's market. It may not be for long, but that's the current situation. That might be true in your market: it is not in mine. You are, of course, entitled to believe whatever you'd like to.

rsj_hn 5y ago
> Remember that I'm using them to offload some of the considerable effort required to find good candidates who are worth talking to. Right, because it's very hard trying to find a good candidate now. > The context of the GP post is getting back to a recruiter to find out more about a job, which suggests you're at least interested in that job. No, I am open to being persuaded. But without basic details like the name of the company, salary range, rough description of what the job is and location/WFH situation, I cannot say that I am interested or not. I am not going to take time off work and start an interview process -- which costs me vacation time and effort -- with a company that isn't willing to try to prove to me that they are better than my current employer. So if I have a question, then you should answer it if you want me to consider taking the leap to interview with you. You are trying to recruit me. Don't do that with a chip on your shoulder. What kind of salesman tries to make his leads jump through hoops? You are the salesmen here. On the other hand when I am unemployed and I reach out to you to convince me to hire you, I will give you all my contact info and I will be willing to jump through hoops to convince you to hire me, just as you should be willing to jump through hoops when you are trying to recruit someone to quit their current job and come work for you.

rsj_hn 5y ago

> Remember that I'm using them to offload some of the considerable effort required to find good candidates who are worth talking to. Right, because it's very hard trying to find a good candidate now. > The context of the GP post is getting back to a recruiter to find out more about a job, which suggests you're at least interested in that job. No, I am open to being persuaded. But without basic details like the name of the company, salary range, rough description of what the job is and location/WFH situation, I cannot say that I am interested or not. I am not going to take time off work and start an interview process -- which costs me vacation time and effort -- with a company that isn't willing to try to prove to me that they are better than my current employer. So if I have a question, then you should answer it if you want me to consider taking the leap to interview with you. You are trying to recruit me. Don't do that with a chip on your shoulder. What kind of salesman tries to make his leads jump through hoops? You are the salesmen here. On the other hand when I am unemployed and I reach out to you to convince me to hire you, I will give you all my contact info and I will be willing to jump through hoops to convince you to hire me, just as you should be willing to jump through hoops when you are trying to recruit someone to quit their current job and come work for you.