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Yeah the bitching about recruiters is really boring. It's also silly and shortsighted seeing posts like this where the poster doesn't understand why we need to
by andrewstuart 5y ago
Yeah the bitching about recruiters is really boring.
It's also silly and shortsighted seeing posts like this where the poster doesn't understand why we need to talk on the phone. Isn't it self evident? To make a job happen, it requires human contact at every step of the way. Sending out emails hoping people reply results in....... zero.
Who is it that genuinely thinks that jobs are black and white? Who is it that thinks salaries are written in stone? "We're offering $50K", do you want the job? Obviously it doesn't work like that. Recruiting is a negotiation - with everyone - the employer and the candidate.
And talking on the phone is absolutely essential. Things need to be discussed, understood, clarified.
AND, it's a SALES job.... we're trying to catch your attention, interest you in a possible new job, entice you with the positives, lead you to do what we want you to do which is meet the employer and build up relationships on both sides such that the consummation happens, which is an employment deal. None of that will happen without personal talking on the phone.
Really frankly if you're meant o be be an intelligent person, can't you understand that finding someone for a job involves lots of personal communication and discussion and working around grey areas like salary? If you're not smart enough to get that, well.....
And honestly, when people say these two things, I give up on them:
"Can you just email me the details? I'll decide then."
And
"It's all written in my resume, why are you asking me these questions?"
Because these questions make it clear that you're not interested in actually pursuing possible jobs.
The thing that annoys me most about the "how much do you hate recruiters?" posts is that companies pay us alot of money to find great people and they are very happy when we succeed and the job seeker is very happy too when we succeed - why the hate?
If you are bitching about recruiters then you are not the CTO or development manager who is paying them and working with them and wants them to succeed.
- stjo 5y ago> Because these questions make it clear that you're not interested in actually pursuing possible jobs. Correct, I'm not interested in bureaucratic processes that you pulled out of your ass. If you don't understand how I want to be communicated with, you are not a good recruiter.
- andrewstuart 5y agoYes and when you are CTO, or running your own company, or you are development manager, you'll think "I wonder if I know any recruiters who make the effort to actually get people on the phone and make it happen?".
- cameronh90 5y agoI'm a CTO and I don't wonder this. I wonder why recruiters: * Send through candidates that have nothing to do with our requirements. * Tell me a candidate is interested in a lower salary than they actually are. * Tell me they've phone screened a candidate with an expert and that they're excellent, but then within the first few minutes at interview it's obvious they can't code. * Lie about candidates, including modifying their CV without telling them. * Lie about the role to candidates.
- andrewstuart 5y agoYou're using the wrong recruiters. You need an honest, no bullshit, recruiter like me who knows the technology. Like me.
- Dayshine 5y agoI will happily talk on the phone at great length with a potential employer or internal recruiter. They understand the role, they can assess my skills correctly, they can give me the important insights into what working there will be like, and they know their actual compensation range. I have no real interest in talking with the majority of recruiters, who will generally do at least one of the following: - Misrepresent the role to me - Misrepresent me to the employer - Under or oversell me (A recruiter almost refused to put me through for my current job because I was asking for the top end of the range) A good recruiter should be able to make the decision on whether to pass a candidate on from reading a CV plus 4/5 questions (in a single email). If you know what you're doing, just set up the phone call with the employer. >who make the effort to actually get people on the phone and make it happen You might make it happen faster if you skip the phone screen with people who can't assess candidates because they don't understand the role nor the candidate!
- MillenialMan 5y agoWe understand that you have many motivations that are counter to our interests. That's the point - they irritate us, because they're counter to our interests.
- beforeolives 5y ago> If you are bitching about recruiters then you are not the CTO or development manager who is paying them and working with them and wants them to succeed. This implies that you only care about the experience of the people who are paying you. Which might be honest but if it's true, it shouldn't be a surprise that so many candidates have negative experiences with recruiters.