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Why hasn't the mindframe changed with time? One would imagine that the modern age, with it's Netflix, tinder, Hollywood movies would have pushed out mediaeval

Why hasn't the mindframe changed with time? One would imagine that the modern age, with it's Netflix, tinder, Hollywood movies would have pushed out mediaeval era conservative ideology.

Conan_Kudo 5y ago
They're not heavily exposed to that in Pakistan. That stuff is regulated, controlled, and locked down.
- zodiakzz 5y ago
  Not true, only cable TV is regulated. Netflix has free reign atm (e.g., 50 Shades of Grey has yet to leave "top 10 most watched" here).
weird-eye-issue 5y ago
You mean "frame of mind", by the way. Mindframe is not really a word or phrase and really confused me because it sounded so familiar lol
- jmole 5y ago
  or mindset. I also felt the uncanny valley of "mindframe".
  - weird-eye-issue 5y ago
    Oh yeah mindset is probably what they meant
f6v 5y ago
> Netflix, tinder, Hollywood movies would have pushed out mediaeval era conservative ideology The latter took centuries to form. The former was just invented recently.
cryptoz 5y ago
It's not that much different from the US, though, really, is it? Gay people couldn't marry here in most places until just a few years ago. And still, this country has raging huge debates about who is allowed to use which restroom, if a professional kneeling to a song is allowed to happen if he's black and trying to make a point, etc. Sure, there are differences between Pakistan and the US, but I don't think the differences are as wide as you imply. Western 'hollywood' values are extremely gender-restrictive and not "open" or whatever at all.
- pepperonipizza 5y ago
  The situation for women in Pakistan is completely different from the US. Ranked second lowest for gender equality. https://pakistan.unfpa.org/en/topics/gender-equality-14#:~:text=Yet%20Pakistan%20currently%20ranks%20the,the%20Global%20Gender%20Gap%20Index https://pakistan.unfpa.org/en/topics/gender-equality-14#:~:t.... Apostasy is forbidden, homosexuality is illegal, religious minorities are often persecuted.
  - cryptoz 5y ago
    Yes, I know it is worse there than here. Reading up on the US history, it seems like 'being' gay was only legalized/protected by the supreme court in the early 2000s. And even, "Fourteen states either have not yet formally repealed their laws against sexual activity among consenting adults or have not revised them to accurately reflect their true scope in the aftermath of Lawrence v. Texas" [1] > religious minorities are often persecuted. That sounds just like America to be totally honest. > Apostasy In the late 80's the president couldn't answer a reporter if atheists are considered citizens or not. Yes the law is different here, I know that. But the US has a recent history (last 20 years) of banning gay activities and oppressing minorities through the use of the law. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_United_States#Legality_of_same-sex_sexual_activity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_United_Stat... Edit: The report you linked shows the US gender gap as quite large, FWIW. The US is not near the top of the list - wayyy above second-to-last, yes, but again, not exactly the top. Below Colombia, Moldova, Bulgaria, etc- a host of countries that I think most Americans would assume are not as good as the US at gender gap - but in fact we are worse according to the report you linked.
spockz 5y ago
I would actually argue that Netflix, tinder, Hollywood, including other western media, do more to confirm that “underwear should titillate”. Also in adverts here it almost always the titillating kind instead of plain comfortable. Point is that for us it is probably a choice what to buy/wear and that we don’t have to deal with bad quality underwear, regardless of style/form/function.
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Why hasn't the mindframe changed with time? One would imagine that the modern age, with it's Netflix, tinder, Hollywood movies would have pushed out mediaeval era conservative ideology.

Conan_Kudo 5y ago

They're not heavily exposed to that in Pakistan. That stuff is regulated, controlled, and locked down.

zodiakzz 5y ago
Not true, only cable TV is regulated. Netflix has free reign atm (e.g., 50 Shades of Grey has yet to leave "top 10 most watched" here).

weird-eye-issue 5y ago

You mean "frame of mind", by the way. Mindframe is not really a word or phrase and really confused me because it sounded so familiar lol

jmole 5y ago
or mindset. I also felt the uncanny valley of "mindframe".
- weird-eye-issue 5y ago
  Oh yeah mindset is probably what they meant

f6v 5y ago

> Netflix, tinder, Hollywood movies would have pushed out mediaeval era conservative ideology The latter took centuries to form. The former was just invented recently.

cryptoz 5y ago

It's not that much different from the US, though, really, is it? Gay people couldn't marry here in most places until just a few years ago. And still, this country has raging huge debates about who is allowed to use which restroom, if a professional kneeling to a song is allowed to happen if he's black and trying to make a point, etc. Sure, there are differences between Pakistan and the US, but I don't think the differences are as wide as you imply. Western 'hollywood' values are extremely gender-restrictive and not "open" or whatever at all.

pepperonipizza 5y ago
The situation for women in Pakistan is completely different from the US. Ranked second lowest for gender equality. https://pakistan.unfpa.org/en/topics/gender-equality-14#:~:text=Yet%20Pakistan%20currently%20ranks%20the,the%20Global%20Gender%20Gap%20Index https://pakistan.unfpa.org/en/topics/gender-equality-14#:~:t.... Apostasy is forbidden, homosexuality is illegal, religious minorities are often persecuted.
- cryptoz 5y ago
  Yes, I know it is worse there than here. Reading up on the US history, it seems like 'being' gay was only legalized/protected by the supreme court in the early 2000s. And even, "Fourteen states either have not yet formally repealed their laws against sexual activity among consenting adults or have not revised them to accurately reflect their true scope in the aftermath of Lawrence v. Texas" [1] > religious minorities are often persecuted. That sounds just like America to be totally honest. > Apostasy In the late 80's the president couldn't answer a reporter if atheists are considered citizens or not. Yes the law is different here, I know that. But the US has a recent history (last 20 years) of banning gay activities and oppressing minorities through the use of the law. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_United_States#Legality_of_same-sex_sexual_activity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_United_Stat... Edit: The report you linked shows the US gender gap as quite large, FWIW. The US is not near the top of the list - wayyy above second-to-last, yes, but again, not exactly the top. Below Colombia, Moldova, Bulgaria, etc- a host of countries that I think most Americans would assume are not as good as the US at gender gap - but in fact we are worse according to the report you linked.

spockz 5y ago

I would actually argue that Netflix, tinder, Hollywood, including other western media, do more to confirm that “underwear should titillate”. Also in adverts here it almost always the titillating kind instead of plain comfortable. Point is that for us it is probably a choice what to buy/wear and that we don’t have to deal with bad quality underwear, regardless of style/form/function.

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