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Not really an opinion when science favors the assertion unlike wanting to believe in an illogical fantasy.

jazzyjackson 5y ago
When you think someone else is crazy, consider that you may be misinterpreting what they're saying. Religion is a different language, it doesn't map on to your demand for logical reason.
- trowaway7642 5y ago
  Mental illness doesn’t equate to crazy if that’s what you’re replying towards my previous comment mentioning mental illness. Although I see a world that just boils down to cause & effect, I find nothing wrong with people desiring to believe in spiritual deities but being part of a religion is where I speculate a lot of unhealthy behavior grows and has undeniably harmed a lot of lgbtq+ children. I would rather associate with a group of people that prefer logic & reason any day over persons that prefer faith because I’ve noticed in my life that persons that prefer faith have desires to control others without much concern towards the persons they control not wishing to be treated in such a manner. I grew up in a catholic family and I wouldn’t be surprised if the hell they fear isn’t deserved for their controlling tendencies that religion encourages.
bencollier49 5y ago
Science favours nothing. Positivism has failed as a philosophy, and the only thing we can decide from logic is that it cannot comprehensively describe the origins of existence. I'm sorry, but past disproving myths which most people always understood were figurative (Genesis et al), science is not in a place to comment on the fundamentals of religion.
- trowaway7642 5y ago
  Nonsense, neuroscience favors free will being nothing more than an illusion while plebs still eat up the nonsensical belief for breakfast on Sundays.
  - amanaplanacanal 5y ago
    If free will really is an illusion, then you can’t help believing what you do, and they can’t help believing what they do.
    - trowaway7642 5y ago
      Of course some are predestined to be plebs for however fate has it written in stone but the same argument could’ve been made towards the earth being the center of the universe. Gratefully, academics can push society forward by helping the plebs get the resources to learn free will is an illusion and have a healthier life with that knowledge. Although still destined by predeterminism.
      - bencollier49 5y ago
        "Plebs" - this arrogance is also characteristic of the cast of scientists who think they can do philosophy.
        trowaway7642 5y ago
        Pleb - an ordinary person, especially one from the lower social classes. That’s generally where majority of believers in free will fall into. Besides the few that came from such families and got out of that lifestyle. Anyhow I believe you wrote arrogance unfairly when it’s simply honesty. Sure, a few great compatibilist exist in philosophy but their definition of free will is nothing of the sort like what the plebs believe.
  - bencollier49 5y ago
    Don't fall for that. Firstly, they've defined free will incorrectly, and secondly, the whole movement to deny agency stems from the complete inability of anyone to address the hard problem of consciousness. "We cannot understand it, therefore it does not exist".
    - trowaway7642 5y ago

When you think someone else is crazy, consider that you may be misinterpreting what they're saying. Religion is a different language, it doesn't map on to your demand for logical reason.

trowaway7642 5y ago
Mental illness doesn’t equate to crazy if that’s what you’re replying towards my previous comment mentioning mental illness. Although I see a world that just boils down to cause & effect, I find nothing wrong with people desiring to believe in spiritual deities but being part of a religion is where I speculate a lot of unhealthy behavior grows and has undeniably harmed a lot of lgbtq+ children. I would rather associate with a group of people that prefer logic & reason any day over persons that prefer faith because I’ve noticed in my life that persons that prefer faith have desires to control others without much concern towards the persons they control not wishing to be treated in such a manner. I grew up in a catholic family and I wouldn’t be surprised if the hell they fear isn’t deserved for their controlling tendencies that religion encourages.

bencollier49 5y ago

Science favours nothing. Positivism has failed as a philosophy, and the only thing we can decide from logic is that it cannot comprehensively describe the origins of existence. I'm sorry, but past disproving myths which most people always understood were figurative (Genesis et al), science is not in a place to comment on the fundamentals of religion.

trowaway7642 5y ago
Nonsense, neuroscience favors free will being nothing more than an illusion while plebs still eat up the nonsensical belief for breakfast on Sundays.
- amanaplanacanal 5y ago
  If free will really is an illusion, then you can’t help believing what you do, and they can’t help believing what they do.
  - trowaway7642 5y ago
    Of course some are predestined to be plebs for however fate has it written in stone but the same argument could’ve been made towards the earth being the center of the universe. Gratefully, academics can push society forward by helping the plebs get the resources to learn free will is an illusion and have a healthier life with that knowledge. Although still destined by predeterminism.
    - bencollier49 5y ago
      "Plebs" - this arrogance is also characteristic of the cast of scientists who think they can do philosophy.
      - trowaway7642 5y ago
        Pleb - an ordinary person, especially one from the lower social classes. That’s generally where majority of believers in free will fall into. Besides the few that came from such families and got out of that lifestyle. Anyhow I believe you wrote arrogance unfairly when it’s simply honesty. Sure, a few great compatibilist exist in philosophy but their definition of free will is nothing of the sort like what the plebs believe.
- bencollier49 5y ago
  Don't fall for that. Firstly, they've defined free will incorrectly, and secondly, the whole movement to deny agency stems from the complete inability of anyone to address the hard problem of consciousness. "We cannot understand it, therefore it does not exist".
  - trowaway7642 5y ago