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I’m vaccinated and I would not like a bar that “requires” vaccine proof. I’m not sharing my medical file with a bar and the little card that I got with my vacci

I’m vaccinated and I would not like a bar that “requires” vaccine proof. I’m not sharing my medical file with a bar and the little card that I got with my vaccination is not meaningful proof. There’s no public Heath guidance to check for vaccination, so this is just bars trying to be overzealous.

robbrown451 5y ago
"the little card that I got with my vaccination is not meaningful proof." It's more meaningful than using the honor system. And it's not your "medical file" a lot more than your driver's license is. It tells one significant detail about your medical history, and that is it. I prefer bars where I know I am safe, and one where there are people like yourself who claim to be vaccinated but resist showing proof, don't make me feel safe.
- Gibbon1 5y ago
  I think vaccination status barely rises to the status of 'medical file'. If you have hemorrhoids that's no ones business. If you're going around spreading covid that is other peoples business. And they have a total right to protect themselves from you.
- tdfx 5y ago
  > It's more meaningful than using the honor system. It is the honor system. Anyone who wants a blank CDC vaccination card doesn't have to look far to find one. Requiring them as proof for anything is just a bureaucratic checkbox.
  - robbrown451 5y ago
    And so is a drivers license, since you can get fake id's. That doesn't make it the honor system, except to people who are unable to see shades of gray.
    - tdfx 5y ago
      It's ironic you would accuse someone of being unable to see "shades of gray" and then compare the security features of a piece of slightly rigid paper with the CDC logo on it to a state driver's license with holograms, an identity verification process, and multiple fraud detection features.
- tinus_hn 5y ago
  You are safe if you are vaccinated. It doesn’t depend on what other people do.
  - robbrown451 5y ago
    Not everyone can be vaccinated, for instance my 7 year old.
    - tinus_hn 5y ago
      If your 7 year old gets anywhere near seriously ill you’ll be in the news, but I suggest you don’t take your 7 year old to a bar anyway.
fy20 5y ago
Non-US perspective: In my country, by law, you need to show a certificate to sit inside restaurants and bars. The government built a system that generates a QR code for patrons which can be scanned by merchants - with a government app - to verify it. The QR code has the data encrypted so no personal data is shared with the restaurant. I'm not sure if it sends anything back to the government (I guess not because of GDPR). It's worth mentioning the certificate isn't just for vaccination. You can also get it after recovering from Covid (valid for 6 months after positive test) or had a recent negative test (valid for 3 days). Going the vaccination route is the simplest option though, so in a way it is forcing people to get vaccinated if they want to resume normal life.
mike_d 5y ago
Then call your public officials and demand they support a legitimate vaccine passport system.

robbrown451 5y ago

"the little card that I got with my vaccination is not meaningful proof." It's more meaningful than using the honor system. And it's not your "medical file" a lot more than your driver's license is. It tells one significant detail about your medical history, and that is it. I prefer bars where I know I am safe, and one where there are people like yourself who claim to be vaccinated but resist showing proof, don't make me feel safe.

Gibbon1 5y ago
I think vaccination status barely rises to the status of 'medical file'. If you have hemorrhoids that's no ones business. If you're going around spreading covid that is other peoples business. And they have a total right to protect themselves from you.
tdfx 5y ago
> It's more meaningful than using the honor system. It is the honor system. Anyone who wants a blank CDC vaccination card doesn't have to look far to find one. Requiring them as proof for anything is just a bureaucratic checkbox.
- robbrown451 5y ago
  And so is a drivers license, since you can get fake id's. That doesn't make it the honor system, except to people who are unable to see shades of gray.
  - tdfx 5y ago
    It's ironic you would accuse someone of being unable to see "shades of gray" and then compare the security features of a piece of slightly rigid paper with the CDC logo on it to a state driver's license with holograms, an identity verification process, and multiple fraud detection features.
tinus_hn 5y ago
You are safe if you are vaccinated. It doesn’t depend on what other people do.
- robbrown451 5y ago
  Not everyone can be vaccinated, for instance my 7 year old.
  - tinus_hn 5y ago
    If your 7 year old gets anywhere near seriously ill you’ll be in the news, but I suggest you don’t take your 7 year old to a bar anyway.

fy20 5y ago

Non-US perspective: In my country, by law, you need to show a certificate to sit inside restaurants and bars. The government built a system that generates a QR code for patrons which can be scanned by merchants - with a government app - to verify it. The QR code has the data encrypted so no personal data is shared with the restaurant. I'm not sure if it sends anything back to the government (I guess not because of GDPR). It's worth mentioning the certificate isn't just for vaccination. You can also get it after recovering from Covid (valid for 6 months after positive test) or had a recent negative test (valid for 3 days). Going the vaccination route is the simplest option though, so in a way it is forcing people to get vaccinated if they want to resume normal life.

mike_d 5y ago

Then call your public officials and demand they support a legitimate vaccine passport system.