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> some (legal) inhibitory substances Which substances?

by 55555 5y ago

smokelegend 5y ago
THC-A
meowface 5y ago
Phenibut. (Not recommended to be taken on a daily/frequent basis. It's a GABA analogue.)
- dannyw 5y ago
  So it's basically a research chemical benzo. My advice to everyone is to stick to things like melatonin, pavlov conditioning like drinking camomile tea, and maybe some some weed. The EV of playing with benzos and other addictive substances is negative.
  - meowface 5y ago
    I think it's past the research chemical stage, but, yes, it's somewhat similar to benzodiazepines and I strongly recommend people not take it or any other GABAergic often. I'd very strongly recommend people not try to take phenibut to improve sleep. This is why I was merely giving an anecdote of what it feels like when I'm very well-rested rather than suggesting a solution, and why I didn't want to name the substance in my anecdote. I'm still struggling with sleep quality. If I could just take a lot of phenibut all the time, I wouldn't have an issue, but I know I really shouldn't take it often, so I don't. (In part because I know I'd have an issue again once tolerance builds, in addition to some new issues.) (Personally, weed makes it much, much harder for me to sleep.) You should be careful with how you use melatonin, too, though: https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/07/10/melatonin-much-more-than-you-wanted-to-know/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/07/10/melatonin-much-more-th..., https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/07/12/did-a-melatonin-patent-inspire-current-dose-confusion/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/07/12/did-a-melatonin-patent...
    - smokelegend 5y ago
      Perhaps you're not giving 'weed' the credit it deserves. [IMHO]I'm so sick of people who purposely down play the medical and therapeutic effects of cannabis. That's what it should be referred to, since in this country [US] 'weed' is a generic term that generally has been used to describe anything bad, unwanted or something not worth keeping. Which is completely different when we talk about medical grade high THC cannabis[in the US]. Stop thinking 'weed' is the same as taking a manufactured pharmaceutical pill. It's not, I don't have to site any references or link any sites to know the difference. If you feel differently, perhaps you'd be better off googling the differences to discover what millions of people have known for hundreds if not thousands if years. CANNABIS is a healing plant, full stop. We can debate all day long about what plant may be better for this or that, but you're never going to convince me that 'weed' is not as effective for pain as a manufactured pharmaceutical pill. Take care of your life, do as you see fit, I think there is a right strain and dosage for everyone to enjoy the benefits of cannabis. Not all pharmaceutical drugs are bad, true, not all alcohol is bad, but if you take enough of it, it'll kill you.
    - 55555 5y ago
      Try Zinc if you haven't. Very deep sleeps.
- raducu 5y ago
  Phenibut gives me terrible acidic dihareea and euphoria some 8 hours after taking it, I call it MDMA light. Effects come 4 hours after taking it so anyone taking it for sleep needs to take the therapeutic dosage -- 150-300mg and not the 900mg recreational dosage and needs to take it a looong time before bed.
  - 55555 5y ago
    This is what they say but for me an hour and a half is fine.
- 55555 5y ago
  Wow. I asked because I was curious if you were referencing phenibut. It gives me godlike sleeps. Obviously probably bad to use daily etc though. But melatonin etc don't even compete.

> some (legal) inhibitory substances Which substances?

by 55555 5y ago

> some (legal) inhibitory substances Which substances?

smokelegend 5y ago

THC-A

meowface 5y ago

Phenibut. (Not recommended to be taken on a daily/frequent basis. It's a GABA analogue.)

dannyw 5y ago
So it's basically a research chemical benzo. My advice to everyone is to stick to things like melatonin, pavlov conditioning like drinking camomile tea, and maybe some some weed. The EV of playing with benzos and other addictive substances is negative.
- meowface 5y ago
  I think it's past the research chemical stage, but, yes, it's somewhat similar to benzodiazepines and I strongly recommend people not take it or any other GABAergic often. I'd very strongly recommend people not try to take phenibut to improve sleep. This is why I was merely giving an anecdote of what it feels like when I'm very well-rested rather than suggesting a solution, and why I didn't want to name the substance in my anecdote. I'm still struggling with sleep quality. If I could just take a lot of phenibut all the time, I wouldn't have an issue, but I know I really shouldn't take it often, so I don't. (In part because I know I'd have an issue again once tolerance builds, in addition to some new issues.) (Personally, weed makes it much, much harder for me to sleep.) You should be careful with how you use melatonin, too, though: https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/07/10/melatonin-much-more-than-you-wanted-to-know/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/07/10/melatonin-much-more-th..., https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/07/12/did-a-melatonin-patent-inspire-current-dose-confusion/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/07/12/did-a-melatonin-patent...
  - smokelegend 5y ago
    Perhaps you're not giving 'weed' the credit it deserves. [IMHO]I'm so sick of people who purposely down play the medical and therapeutic effects of cannabis. That's what it should be referred to, since in this country [US] 'weed' is a generic term that generally has been used to describe anything bad, unwanted or something not worth keeping. Which is completely different when we talk about medical grade high THC cannabis[in the US]. Stop thinking 'weed' is the same as taking a manufactured pharmaceutical pill. It's not, I don't have to site any references or link any sites to know the difference. If you feel differently, perhaps you'd be better off googling the differences to discover what millions of people have known for hundreds if not thousands if years. CANNABIS is a healing plant, full stop. We can debate all day long about what plant may be better for this or that, but you're never going to convince me that 'weed' is not as effective for pain as a manufactured pharmaceutical pill. Take care of your life, do as you see fit, I think there is a right strain and dosage for everyone to enjoy the benefits of cannabis. Not all pharmaceutical drugs are bad, true, not all alcohol is bad, but if you take enough of it, it'll kill you.
  - 55555 5y ago
    Try Zinc if you haven't. Very deep sleeps.
raducu 5y ago
Phenibut gives me terrible acidic dihareea and euphoria some 8 hours after taking it, I call it MDMA light. Effects come 4 hours after taking it so anyone taking it for sleep needs to take the therapeutic dosage -- 150-300mg and not the 900mg recreational dosage and needs to take it a looong time before bed.
- 55555 5y ago
  This is what they say but for me an hour and a half is fine.
55555 5y ago
Wow. I asked because I was curious if you were referencing phenibut. It gives me godlike sleeps. Obviously probably bad to use daily etc though. But melatonin etc don't even compete.