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>So she gave them all her money Do you have a source for this? I don't see it in the article. >and it was then she began the long, considered bid to join one

>So she gave them all her money Do you have a source for this? I don't see it in the article. >and it was then she began the long, considered bid to join one of the strictest orders of nuns in the world. It sounds like it was hard for her to get in, and the group is fairly exclusive. I think cults try to get people to join by making it easy to join.

tshaddox 5y ago
There is no shortage of cults that establish a hierarchy with different levels of exclusivity.
- Thorrez 5y ago
  I'm wondering what the hierarchy like that is here. There seem to just be 2 levels here: lay Catholic and Carmelite nun. Would the entire Catholic Church be a cult? It doesn't have the "gave them all her money" or "kept her behind bars" aspects that FounderBurr mentioned.
renewiltord 5y ago
> Five years later she gave away everything she owned to join the Sisters of Our Lady of Mount Carmel in Des Plaines, Illinois. The source is the linked BBC article
- treyfitty 5y ago
  That doesn’t mean she gave it to the church. I interpreted that statement as “she gave away everything [to her children]
  - renewiltord 5y ago
    Hmm, fair enough. In fact, it appears from https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1994-10-29-me-56060-story.html https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1994-10-29-me-56060-... that she gave to her children what they desired and then auctioned the rest to charity (one can imagine that wasn’t necessarily this church).
Spooky23 5y ago
Usually when you join a religious order that requires a vow of poverty, your stuff goes to to the order. A carmelite nun or Franciscan friar would be examples of that. I have a friend who was a nun in an order like that who chose to leave because she inherited her parent’s house, and felt strongly about maintaining the gardens to their (very high) standards.
- Thorrez 5y ago
  >Usually when you join a religious order that requires a vow of poverty, your stuff goes to to the order. Do you have a source for this? I know that a vow of poverty means you have to give up everything, such as your friend's house. But I doubt that it has to be given to the order. Also there might be a distinction between things you give away before joining (what I think this thread is about) and things you gain while a nun (such as inherited stuff) that you have to give away. > I think you can give them to your family. [1] > When you make final vows, you can give away your possessions (e.g. to family/friends) or donate them to the order. [2] > Possessions can usually be given to family or friends or sold and donated either to the order or a charity of choice. In the case of inheritance, you can either ask to be left out of the will or accept it and then turn it over to the order or gift it to another. [3] [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/Catholicism/comments/9zaegz/curious_about_vow_of_poverty_for_religious_orders/ea7livg/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Catholicism/comments/9zaegz/curious... [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/Catholicism/comments/grtzu1/advice_and_preparation_for_seminaryjoining_an/fs1bdv4/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Catholicism/comments/grtzu1/advice_... [3] https://www.reddit.com/r/Catholicism/comments/grtzu1/advice_and_preparation_for_seminaryjoining_an/fs1m9re/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Catholicism/comments/grtzu1/advice_...

tshaddox 5y ago

There is no shortage of cults that establish a hierarchy with different levels of exclusivity.

Thorrez 5y ago
I'm wondering what the hierarchy like that is here. There seem to just be 2 levels here: lay Catholic and Carmelite nun. Would the entire Catholic Church be a cult? It doesn't have the "gave them all her money" or "kept her behind bars" aspects that FounderBurr mentioned.

renewiltord 5y ago

> Five years later she gave away everything she owned to join the Sisters of Our Lady of Mount Carmel in Des Plaines, Illinois. The source is the linked BBC article

treyfitty 5y ago
That doesn’t mean she gave it to the church. I interpreted that statement as “she gave away everything [to her children]
- renewiltord 5y ago
  Hmm, fair enough. In fact, it appears from https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1994-10-29-me-56060-story.html https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1994-10-29-me-56060-... that she gave to her children what they desired and then auctioned the rest to charity (one can imagine that wasn’t necessarily this church).

Spooky23 5y ago

Usually when you join a religious order that requires a vow of poverty, your stuff goes to to the order. A carmelite nun or Franciscan friar would be examples of that. I have a friend who was a nun in an order like that who chose to leave because she inherited her parent’s house, and felt strongly about maintaining the gardens to their (very high) standards.

Thorrez 5y ago
>Usually when you join a religious order that requires a vow of poverty, your stuff goes to to the order. Do you have a source for this? I know that a vow of poverty means you have to give up everything, such as your friend's house. But I doubt that it has to be given to the order. Also there might be a distinction between things you give away before joining (what I think this thread is about) and things you gain while a nun (such as inherited stuff) that you have to give away. > I think you can give them to your family. [1] > When you make final vows, you can give away your possessions (e.g. to family/friends) or donate them to the order. [2] > Possessions can usually be given to family or friends or sold and donated either to the order or a charity of choice. In the case of inheritance, you can either ask to be left out of the will or accept it and then turn it over to the order or gift it to another. [3] [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/Catholicism/comments/9zaegz/curious_about_vow_of_poverty_for_religious_orders/ea7livg/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Catholicism/comments/9zaegz/curious... [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/Catholicism/comments/grtzu1/advice_and_preparation_for_seminaryjoining_an/fs1bdv4/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Catholicism/comments/grtzu1/advice_... [3] https://www.reddit.com/r/Catholicism/comments/grtzu1/advice_and_preparation_for_seminaryjoining_an/fs1m9re/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Catholicism/comments/grtzu1/advice_...