Great point. My brother and I tried to get some type of electricians license in order to do our DIY work more "professionally". I took household lighting class

Great point. My brother and I tried to get some type of electricians license in order to do our DIY work more "professionally". I took household lighting classes at the local community college and our union electrician uncle helped use redo his house. Impossible in my state to get a electrician license without doing 1+ years as an apprentice under a electrical company full-time. Once you get the "apprentice" license, you then spend another year or two under more supervision to become a journeyman. At that point you are able to pull permits and work on your own. So 3-5 years working as a full time electrician. They expect you to learn everything on the job and eventually take a test. More time to get an electrician license than to become a licensed police officer (250 hours of academy training). Sweet. All of that to legally change a dishwasher in my house. So all of the people on this forum spouting off about "certified electricians" are either part of the electrician racket themselves or have 0 actual clue what they are talking about.