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Waters raises a good question in the video - how did someone who started off with with a project for rating women by appearance become one of the most powerful

Waters raises a good question in the video - how did someone who started off with with a project for rating women by appearance become one of the most powerful people in the world? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Facebook#FaceMash https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Facebook#FaceMash

Sebb767 5y ago
People have good and bad sides. I don't want to defend Zuckerberg, but it's not a particularly bad stunt for horny college dudes and you won't find anyone who is perfect in every way and has never done something bad. Plus, to lead a company to global success probably requires character traits that would otherwise not be considered fortunate.
- paul7986 5y ago
  Umm he was hired to build an idea for the winklevoss twins and stole it. We celebrate such entrepreneurs ..semi smh
  - throwaaskjdfh 5y ago
    That's something I actually wouldn't fault Zuckerberg for. Too often someone with a vague idea and some money get more than they really paid for as the people doing the actual work discover what the real challenges are and solve them.
- hellbannedguy 5y ago
  1. Publically degraded Erica Albright on her breast size publically--because little Marky got his ego bruised. 2. Stole the idea for Facebook from paying clients. 3. Tricked his best friend in college into signing his (Eduardo) share of Facebook over to him. 4. Publicly stating his customers were stupid in trusting him with personal information. 5. Printing up "I'm CEO bitch!" while he was swimming in money. 6. Marrying his college girlfriend--most likely because he knew he would never know if the opposite sex liked him for his money, or his kind soul? (She was interested in him after FB was famous.) 7. Moves into a SF mansion and buys out every house in proximity to his home. 8. Buys a huge swath of Hawaiian land, and then put up huge fences so the locals will not be able to cross. 9. Does the usual wealthy boy 501c3 tax dodge. 10. Has the audacity to believe he could run run for president, and poses on a few tractors in the midwest, but gives up when it wasn't fun, and people found him insincere. 11. Tells congress to enact strict rules for Social media, knowing most startups couldn't afford enforcing the new laws. 12. Buying any competition. 13. Buy up prime commercial real estate in San Francisco during a pandemic. Telling his employees they can work at home. I'm counting the days he brings in the troops so he can monitor their performance. 14. Donates 20 million to a SF hospital, but demands his name is front and center. 15. I don't hate the guy. He's a product of his generation. Sorry---a small percentage of his generation. Marky is all about money, and most of you guys arn't. A real role model?
  - Sebb767 5y ago
    > 1. Publically degraded Erica Albright on her breast size publiccally--because little Marky got his ego bruised. I can't find any mention of this; in fact, it seems this person (Erica) only exists in the "the social network" movie. There seems to be a "real" Erica, but I found nothing about snide comment from his side. > 4. Publicly stating his customers were stupid in trusting him with personal information. I'm pretty sure he did so privately; that's not better, though. > 5. Printing up "I'm CEO bitch!" while he was swimming in money. That's a bit childish maybe, but if he enjoys that. > 9. Does the usual wealthy boy 501c3 tax dodge. I have yet to meet someone who likes to pay more taxes. Most of the people reading this are part of the most wealthy people of the world right now and yet they minimize their taxes as well. I can't blame anyone for using the system to their advantage; it's the system that is faulty. But anyway. All of these don't picture him in a good light, sure, but overall none of these are absolute "killing blows". We have politicians with a criminal record that makes Zuckerberg look like a poster child. As I said in my original comment: I don't think he is a particularly good guy and I don't want to defend him. But when you compare him to the overall political elite, that small smear is really not the end of the world.
  - smsm42 5y ago
    I can't really fault him for 6 or 14. Or really for 9 - it's how the laws are written, not by him, and at least he's not, afaik, doing the hypocritical dance of "raise the taxes, I won't be paying them anyway!". The rest is plenty, though, and his wholehearted embrace of censorship doesn't add any points.
beaner 5y ago
By making a subsequent product that was incredibly relevant to the times and which everyone wanted?
- kissgyorgy 5y ago
  No, not at all. Just look at some documentary about Facebook early years.
  - NotChina 5y ago
    The internet before FB was just an unorganized collection of diverse opinions posted without regard for those that take offense.
    - bluefirebrand 5y ago
      Don't make me nostalgic for the good old days.
      - Aeronwen 5y ago
        Back when it was unorganized, everyone on their soapboxes formed a background noise you could easily tune out. Now that it's been organized, it's become a set of echo chambers sorted by topic.
- pessimizer 5y ago
  Which one are you talking about, Friendster or Myspace?
  - beaner 5y ago
    I don't get it.
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hup4 5y ago
History is full of buffoons in positions of power. Right people around you (network) + mindless ambition (ie persistence) and you have a good shot. Others more competent cannot compete with that combo whatever they do. That said the theory of bounded rationality states chimps with 6 inch brains will blunder on any problem requiring 7 inch brains or 200 inch brains or 2 million inch brains. And since the chimp troupe has been wrangling with such problems ever since they started speaking blundering about in spectacular ways is the norm. The theory recommends focusing on simple problems when faced with complexity, but you know us chimps...we are too full of ourselves and ofcourse from birth we are trained to blame others even when we have no solutions. Overcoming those 2 issues is how we get to nirvana.
aaron695 5y ago
No it's an awful question. He was at Harvard, considered one of the best learning institutions in the world. Studying psychology and computer science, during a revolution in humanity around computers. Had a strong work ethic, drunk, late at night, in second year he got a site off the ground so popular it crashed servers. The question is an awful lie, I believe it ranked people not women. It's just a cheap nonintellectual attack not a question. Roger Waters is an artist, which is about emotions not logic or truth so I wouldn't fault him, but it's not a good question.

Sebb767 5y ago

People have good and bad sides. I don't want to defend Zuckerberg, but it's not a particularly bad stunt for horny college dudes and you won't find anyone who is perfect in every way and has never done something bad. Plus, to lead a company to global success probably requires character traits that would otherwise not be considered fortunate.

paul7986 5y ago
Umm he was hired to build an idea for the winklevoss twins and stole it. We celebrate such entrepreneurs ..semi smh
- throwaaskjdfh 5y ago
  That's something I actually wouldn't fault Zuckerberg for. Too often someone with a vague idea and some money get more than they really paid for as the people doing the actual work discover what the real challenges are and solve them.
hellbannedguy 5y ago
1. Publically degraded Erica Albright on her breast size publically--because little Marky got his ego bruised. 2. Stole the idea for Facebook from paying clients. 3. Tricked his best friend in college into signing his (Eduardo) share of Facebook over to him. 4. Publicly stating his customers were stupid in trusting him with personal information. 5. Printing up "I'm CEO bitch!" while he was swimming in money. 6. Marrying his college girlfriend--most likely because he knew he would never know if the opposite sex liked him for his money, or his kind soul? (She was interested in him after FB was famous.) 7. Moves into a SF mansion and buys out every house in proximity to his home. 8. Buys a huge swath of Hawaiian land, and then put up huge fences so the locals will not be able to cross. 9. Does the usual wealthy boy 501c3 tax dodge. 10. Has the audacity to believe he could run run for president, and poses on a few tractors in the midwest, but gives up when it wasn't fun, and people found him insincere. 11. Tells congress to enact strict rules for Social media, knowing most startups couldn't afford enforcing the new laws. 12. Buying any competition. 13. Buy up prime commercial real estate in San Francisco during a pandemic. Telling his employees they can work at home. I'm counting the days he brings in the troops so he can monitor their performance. 14. Donates 20 million to a SF hospital, but demands his name is front and center. 15. I don't hate the guy. He's a product of his generation. Sorry---a small percentage of his generation. Marky is all about money, and most of you guys arn't. A real role model?
- Sebb767 5y ago
  > 1. Publically degraded Erica Albright on her breast size publiccally--because little Marky got his ego bruised. I can't find any mention of this; in fact, it seems this person (Erica) only exists in the "the social network" movie. There seems to be a "real" Erica, but I found nothing about snide comment from his side. > 4. Publicly stating his customers were stupid in trusting him with personal information. I'm pretty sure he did so privately; that's not better, though. > 5. Printing up "I'm CEO bitch!" while he was swimming in money. That's a bit childish maybe, but if he enjoys that. > 9. Does the usual wealthy boy 501c3 tax dodge. I have yet to meet someone who likes to pay more taxes. Most of the people reading this are part of the most wealthy people of the world right now and yet they minimize their taxes as well. I can't blame anyone for using the system to their advantage; it's the system that is faulty. But anyway. All of these don't picture him in a good light, sure, but overall none of these are absolute "killing blows". We have politicians with a criminal record that makes Zuckerberg look like a poster child. As I said in my original comment: I don't think he is a particularly good guy and I don't want to defend him. But when you compare him to the overall political elite, that small smear is really not the end of the world.
- smsm42 5y ago
  I can't really fault him for 6 or 14. Or really for 9 - it's how the laws are written, not by him, and at least he's not, afaik, doing the hypocritical dance of "raise the taxes, I won't be paying them anyway!". The rest is plenty, though, and his wholehearted embrace of censorship doesn't add any points.

beaner 5y ago

By making a subsequent product that was incredibly relevant to the times and which everyone wanted?

kissgyorgy 5y ago
No, not at all. Just look at some documentary about Facebook early years.
- NotChina 5y ago
  The internet before FB was just an unorganized collection of diverse opinions posted without regard for those that take offense.
  - bluefirebrand 5y ago
    Don't make me nostalgic for the good old days.
    - Aeronwen 5y ago
      Back when it was unorganized, everyone on their soapboxes formed a background noise you could easily tune out. Now that it's been organized, it's become a set of echo chambers sorted by topic.
pessimizer 5y ago
Which one are you talking about, Friendster or Myspace?
- beaner 5y ago
  I don't get it.

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hup4 5y ago

History is full of buffoons in positions of power. Right people around you (network) + mindless ambition (ie persistence) and you have a good shot. Others more competent cannot compete with that combo whatever they do. That said the theory of bounded rationality states chimps with 6 inch brains will blunder on any problem requiring 7 inch brains or 200 inch brains or 2 million inch brains. And since the chimp troupe has been wrangling with such problems ever since they started speaking blundering about in spectacular ways is the norm. The theory recommends focusing on simple problems when faced with complexity, but you know us chimps...we are too full of ourselves and ofcourse from birth we are trained to blame others even when we have no solutions. Overcoming those 2 issues is how we get to nirvana.

aaron695 5y ago

No it's an awful question. He was at Harvard, considered one of the best learning institutions in the world. Studying psychology and computer science, during a revolution in humanity around computers. Had a strong work ethic, drunk, late at night, in second year he got a site off the ground so popular it crashed servers. The question is an awful lie, I believe it ranked people not women. It's just a cheap nonintellectual attack not a question. Roger Waters is an artist, which is about emotions not logic or truth so I wouldn't fault him, but it's not a good question.