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Roger Waters refused use of song for Instagram ad [video]

92 points by DevKoala 5y ago

mc32 5y ago
What a tone-deaf message from Mark (his team) to Waters. As if they don't know what he's all about. That has to be so insulting, one Instagram is the opposite of The Wall and boatloads of money is the opposite of what makes Waters convinced something is worthwhile and to top it off, the whole control/censorship/conformity angle which Waters is the total opposite of and where FB sets the rules or tone of discourse and wants conformity. Then there is Oculus and the whole part of having people immerse as much of their lives as possible away from reality. So, yeah, no --but damn, how tone deaf can a person be?
saltedonion 5y ago
What’s the context here
- samfisher83 5y ago
  Fb wants to use a pink Floyd song for Instagram ad. Roger waters is not a fan of Zuckerberg so he said fuck you to that.
  - cloche 5y ago
    *Pink Floyd
  - avemg 5y ago
    Pink Floyd not Led Zeppelin
  - danwills 5y ago
    "Another Brick in the Wall - Part II" is the song, and it's by Pink Floyd, not Led Zeppelin.
    - throwaaskjdfh 5y ago
      Being a rock star isn't what it used to be.
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]
  - kuviaq 5y ago
    Roger Waters is from Pink Floyd, not Led Zep
  - chestertn 5y ago
    Pink Zeppelin not Led Floyd
- DevKoala 5y ago
  I think he is in the Julian Assange support tour when he speaks about Mark Zuckerberg asking him to use his song to support an ad campaign. Roger clearly doesn’t like the negative effects of Facebook in our society, so he rejected the request. I wonder if Facebook wanted to use the song in a campaign against Apple.
throwaway29303 5y ago
I absolutely get where he's coming from but he should've taken the offer and help fund Assange legal defense or something like that.
- DevKoala 5y ago
  He probably realizes that using his song for endorsement of Instagram would have deceived a lot of fans.
  - throwaway29303 5y ago
    Yeah, I guess you're right. Oh well.
  - mnl 5y ago
    I don't think that came close to cross his mind. It's simply an absurd request, that's why people in the audience started chuckling. Maybe the prevailing demographics of HN is getting too young to get it, but FB asking Roger Waters about nothing less than Another Brick in the Wall, Pt. 2 to sell more of their business... that's either being cynically obtuse or being simply too dumb. In any case it's a waste of time for everyone.
    - DevKoala 5y ago
      I understand what you mean. The issue is that not everybody who likes Pink Floyd/Roger Waters looks deeply into the meaning of the lyrics. I agree that it is tone deaf to ask Roger to support Facebook, but if Zuckerberg somehow got the rights to the music, some fans could be fooled. For example, my first Pink Floyd album was Atom Heart Mother, and at that point I didn't realize that Pink Floyd/Roger Waters went deeper than the music.
- tablespoon 5y ago
  > I absolutely get where he's coming from but he should've taken the offer and help fund Assange legal defense or something like that. How much good would donating to that fund actually do?
throwaaskjdfh 5y ago
Waters raises a good question in the video - how did someone who started off with with a project for rating women by appearance become one of the most powerful people in the world? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Facebook#FaceMash https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Facebook#FaceMash
- Sebb767 5y ago
  People have good and bad sides. I don't want to defend Zuckerberg, but it's not a particularly bad stunt for horny college dudes and you won't find anyone who is perfect in every way and has never done something bad. Plus, to lead a company to global success probably requires character traits that would otherwise not be considered fortunate.
  - paul7986 5y ago
    Umm he was hired to build an idea for the winklevoss twins and stole it. We celebrate such entrepreneurs ..semi smh
    - throwaaskjdfh 5y ago
      That's something I actually wouldn't fault Zuckerberg for. Too often someone with a vague idea and some money get more than they really paid for as the people doing the actual work discover what the real challenges are and solve them.
  - hellbannedguy 5y ago
    1. Publically degraded Erica Albright on her breast size publically--because little Marky got his ego bruised. 2. Stole the idea for Facebook from paying clients. 3. Tricked his best friend in college into signing his (Eduardo) share of Facebook over to him. 4. Publicly stating his customers were stupid in trusting him with personal information. 5. Printing up "I'm CEO bitch!" while he was swimming in money. 6. Marrying his college girlfriend--most likely because he knew he would never know if the opposite sex liked him for his money, or his kind soul? (She was interested in him after FB was famous.) 7. Moves into a SF mansion and buys out every house in proximity to his home. 8. Buys a huge swath of Hawaiian land, and then put up huge fences so the locals will not be able to cross. 9. Does the usual wealthy boy 501c3 tax dodge. 10. Has the audacity to believe he could run run for president, and poses on a few tractors in the midwest, but gives up when it wasn't fun, and people found him insincere. 11. Tells congress to enact strict rules for Social media, knowing most startups couldn't afford enforcing the new laws. 12. Buying any competition. 13. Buy up prime commercial real estate in San Francisco during a pandemic. Telling his employees they can work at home. I'm counting the days he brings in the troops so he can monitor their performance. 14. Donates 20 million to a SF hospital, but demands his name is front and center. 15. I don't hate the guy. He's a product of his generation. Sorry---a small percentage of his generation. Marky is all about money, and most of you guys arn't. A real role model?
NotChina 5y ago
Interesting Freud's sister went by "Rosa". Pink Freud.
- briefcomment 5y ago
  It's just a video hosting site
  - NotChina 5y ago
    Wikipedia claims otherwise.
rkk3 5y ago
How much do you think the offer was to use "Another Brick in the Wall - Part II" in an Instagram add?
ninjin 5y ago
The man wrote and recorded an album, “Amused to Death” [1] (inspired by Postman’s book “Amusing Ourselves to Death” [2]), which contains some very pointed criticism of mass media in the 80s and 90s. Is Zuckerberg so out of touch with Waters’ work that he could not see this coming? Not only that, but Waters has been and remains very active politically in the fairly radical left. I mean, with lyrics such as these: We watched the tragedy unfold We did as we were told, bought and sold It was the greatest show on Earth But then it was over We oohed and ahhed We drove our racing cars We ate our last few jars of caviar And somewhere out there in the stars A keen eyed lookout spied a flickering light (Our last hurrah) Our last hurrah And when they found our shadows Grouped ’round the TV sets They ran down every lead They repeated every test They checked out all the data on their list And then The alien anthropologists Admitted they were still perplexed But on eliminating every other reason for our sad demise They logged the only explanation left This species has amused itself to death [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amused_to_Death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amused_to_Death [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amusing_Ourselves_to_Death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amusing_Ourselves_to_Death On the topic of the album, it is in my opinion Waters’ finest non-Floyd album and very much worth a listen this Sunday. In terms of music, lyrical themes, and playfulness when it comes to the soundscape, it truly is an excellent example of great Progressive Rock.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago
  First thing I thought. Amused to Death. A monkey watching TV. The re release album art is a young child in front of a tv that's even larger. Mass media has grown and we are still monkeys. My father used to play that album all the time when I was a child. Now as an adult + war vet The Bravery of Being out of Range hits home: https://youtu.be/QDFTHiJR63U https://youtu.be/QDFTHiJR63U
- me_me_me 5y ago
  radical left? Thats maybe a bit much?
rkk3 5y ago
PS: Roger, We also need to rewrite the line "we don't need your thought control" to something more pro advertisements
- DevKoala 5y ago
  I can see them asking that.
yeslevels 5y ago
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMdNkyGpC/ https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMdNkyGpC/
yeslevels 5y ago
Here is a video I took of this exact moment. I was there. https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMdNkyGpC/ https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMdNkyGpC/

92 points by DevKoala 5y ago

mc32 5y ago

What a tone-deaf message from Mark (his team) to Waters. As if they don't know what he's all about. That has to be so insulting, one Instagram is the opposite of The Wall and boatloads of money is the opposite of what makes Waters convinced something is worthwhile and to top it off, the whole control/censorship/conformity angle which Waters is the total opposite of and where FB sets the rules or tone of discourse and wants conformity. Then there is Oculus and the whole part of having people immerse as much of their lives as possible away from reality. So, yeah, no --but damn, how tone deaf can a person be?

saltedonion 5y ago

What’s the context here

samfisher83 5y ago
Fb wants to use a pink Floyd song for Instagram ad. Roger waters is not a fan of Zuckerberg so he said fuck you to that.
- cloche 5y ago
  *Pink Floyd
- avemg 5y ago
  Pink Floyd not Led Zeppelin
- danwills 5y ago
  "Another Brick in the Wall - Part II" is the song, and it's by Pink Floyd, not Led Zeppelin.
  - throwaaskjdfh 5y ago
    Being a rock star isn't what it used to be.
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
- kuviaq 5y ago
  Roger Waters is from Pink Floyd, not Led Zep
- chestertn 5y ago
  Pink Zeppelin not Led Floyd
DevKoala 5y ago
I think he is in the Julian Assange support tour when he speaks about Mark Zuckerberg asking him to use his song to support an ad campaign. Roger clearly doesn’t like the negative effects of Facebook in our society, so he rejected the request. I wonder if Facebook wanted to use the song in a campaign against Apple.

throwaway29303 5y ago

I absolutely get where he's coming from but he should've taken the offer and help fund Assange legal defense or something like that.

DevKoala 5y ago
He probably realizes that using his song for endorsement of Instagram would have deceived a lot of fans.
- throwaway29303 5y ago
  Yeah, I guess you're right. Oh well.
- mnl 5y ago
  I don't think that came close to cross his mind. It's simply an absurd request, that's why people in the audience started chuckling. Maybe the prevailing demographics of HN is getting too young to get it, but FB asking Roger Waters about nothing less than Another Brick in the Wall, Pt. 2 to sell more of their business... that's either being cynically obtuse or being simply too dumb. In any case it's a waste of time for everyone.
  - DevKoala 5y ago
    I understand what you mean. The issue is that not everybody who likes Pink Floyd/Roger Waters looks deeply into the meaning of the lyrics. I agree that it is tone deaf to ask Roger to support Facebook, but if Zuckerberg somehow got the rights to the music, some fans could be fooled. For example, my first Pink Floyd album was Atom Heart Mother, and at that point I didn't realize that Pink Floyd/Roger Waters went deeper than the music.
tablespoon 5y ago
> I absolutely get where he's coming from but he should've taken the offer and help fund Assange legal defense or something like that. How much good would donating to that fund actually do?

throwaaskjdfh 5y ago

Waters raises a good question in the video - how did someone who started off with with a project for rating women by appearance become one of the most powerful people in the world? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Facebook#FaceMash https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Facebook#FaceMash

Sebb767 5y ago
People have good and bad sides. I don't want to defend Zuckerberg, but it's not a particularly bad stunt for horny college dudes and you won't find anyone who is perfect in every way and has never done something bad. Plus, to lead a company to global success probably requires character traits that would otherwise not be considered fortunate.
- paul7986 5y ago
  Umm he was hired to build an idea for the winklevoss twins and stole it. We celebrate such entrepreneurs ..semi smh
  - throwaaskjdfh 5y ago
    That's something I actually wouldn't fault Zuckerberg for. Too often someone with a vague idea and some money get more than they really paid for as the people doing the actual work discover what the real challenges are and solve them.
- hellbannedguy 5y ago
  1. Publically degraded Erica Albright on her breast size publically--because little Marky got his ego bruised. 2. Stole the idea for Facebook from paying clients. 3. Tricked his best friend in college into signing his (Eduardo) share of Facebook over to him. 4. Publicly stating his customers were stupid in trusting him with personal information. 5. Printing up "I'm CEO bitch!" while he was swimming in money. 6. Marrying his college girlfriend--most likely because he knew he would never know if the opposite sex liked him for his money, or his kind soul? (She was interested in him after FB was famous.) 7. Moves into a SF mansion and buys out every house in proximity to his home. 8. Buys a huge swath of Hawaiian land, and then put up huge fences so the locals will not be able to cross. 9. Does the usual wealthy boy 501c3 tax dodge. 10. Has the audacity to believe he could run run for president, and poses on a few tractors in the midwest, but gives up when it wasn't fun, and people found him insincere. 11. Tells congress to enact strict rules for Social media, knowing most startups couldn't afford enforcing the new laws. 12. Buying any competition. 13. Buy up prime commercial real estate in San Francisco during a pandemic. Telling his employees they can work at home. I'm counting the days he brings in the troops so he can monitor their performance. 14. Donates 20 million to a SF hospital, but demands his name is front and center. 15. I don't hate the guy. He's a product of his generation. Sorry---a small percentage of his generation. Marky is all about money, and most of you guys arn't. A real role model?

NotChina 5y ago

Interesting Freud's sister went by "Rosa". Pink Freud.

briefcomment 5y ago
It's just a video hosting site
- NotChina 5y ago
  Wikipedia claims otherwise.

rkk3 5y ago

How much do you think the offer was to use "Another Brick in the Wall - Part II" in an Instagram add?

ninjin 5y ago

The man wrote and recorded an album, “Amused to Death” [1] (inspired by Postman’s book “Amusing Ourselves to Death” [2]), which contains some very pointed criticism of mass media in the 80s and 90s. Is Zuckerberg so out of touch with Waters’ work that he could not see this coming? Not only that, but Waters has been and remains very active politically in the fairly radical left. I mean, with lyrics such as these: We watched the tragedy unfold We did as we were told, bought and sold It was the greatest show on Earth But then it was over We oohed and ahhed We drove our racing cars We ate our last few jars of caviar And somewhere out there in the stars A keen eyed lookout spied a flickering light (Our last hurrah) Our last hurrah And when they found our shadows Grouped ’round the TV sets They ran down every lead They repeated every test They checked out all the data on their list And then The alien anthropologists Admitted they were still perplexed But on eliminating every other reason for our sad demise They logged the only explanation left This species has amused itself to death [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amused_to_Death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amused_to_Death [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amusing_Ourselves_to_Death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amusing_Ourselves_to_Death On the topic of the album, it is in my opinion Waters’ finest non-Floyd album and very much worth a listen this Sunday. In terms of music, lyrical themes, and playfulness when it comes to the soundscape, it truly is an excellent example of great Progressive Rock.

2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago
First thing I thought. Amused to Death. A monkey watching TV. The re release album art is a young child in front of a tv that's even larger. Mass media has grown and we are still monkeys. My father used to play that album all the time when I was a child. Now as an adult + war vet The Bravery of Being out of Range hits home: https://youtu.be/QDFTHiJR63U https://youtu.be/QDFTHiJR63U
me_me_me 5y ago
radical left? Thats maybe a bit much?

rkk3 5y ago

PS: Roger, We also need to rewrite the line "we don't need your thought control" to something more pro advertisements

DevKoala 5y ago
I can see them asking that.

yeslevels 5y ago

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMdNkyGpC/ https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMdNkyGpC/

yeslevels 5y ago

Here is a video I took of this exact moment. I was there. https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMdNkyGpC/ https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMdNkyGpC/