3 ms·

This is recalling the old Linus debates, but the aggressiveness _doesn't improve the clarity_, and is basically upping the word count. I'm not tone policing bu

by rtpg 5y ago

This is recalling the old Linus debates, but the aggressiveness _doesn't improve the clarity_, and is basically upping the word count. I'm not tone policing but contesting the premise that "aggressive tone" = "direct". For example >(Windows took a different approach and got it right. In Windows, it's okay for multiple DLLs to provide the same symbol, and there's no sad and desperate effort to pretend that a single namespace is still cool.) >(Windows got this right, where multiple DLLs can provide the same symbol) There you go. Shorter, and not wasting 3 lines to express your feelings, and _you can still say Windows got it right_. My feeling is that you can go in and describe a thing succinctly and to the point, and actually get your opinion across! It will be more effective, shorter, and your opinions are backed up with fact! No fluff needed.

coldtea 5y ago
>This is recalling the old Linus debates, but the aggressiveness _doesn't improve the clarity_, and is basically upping the word count. It drives the point home though, and keeps the energy levels higher.
- chrisseaton 5y ago
  > It drives the point home though Is the argument too weak to do that on its own without the abuse?
  - coldtea 5y ago
    That's the case for all technical arguments. Arguments are seldom weak or strong based on their technical details. Heck, the technical details about this were already known to many people including several involved in build setups, but nobody cared anyway.
- craftinator 5y ago
  I really found my chakras to be stimulated by the wordy venting as well. That's a very good point!
- kranner 5y ago
  This may be subjective. For others (including me), it drives the irritation level higher and makes it harder to pay attention. Ranty writing fuels my own tendency to get annoyed and ranty; it makes me want to disengage to preserve my own mood. ("Holub on Patterns" is one example of a book I couldn't finish because of this quality of the writing.) Personally for me, concise and information-dense writing makes me sit up and pay attention.
Nullabillity 5y ago
No, your rewritten version misses the fact that they're trying to work around the problem, which is what takes it from "X is wrong because I say so" to "X is causing them tangible problems".

by rtpg 5y ago

coldtea 5y ago

>This is recalling the old Linus debates, but the aggressiveness _doesn't improve the clarity_, and is basically upping the word count. It drives the point home though, and keeps the energy levels higher.

chrisseaton 5y ago
> It drives the point home though Is the argument too weak to do that on its own without the abuse?
- coldtea 5y ago
  That's the case for all technical arguments. Arguments are seldom weak or strong based on their technical details. Heck, the technical details about this were already known to many people including several involved in build setups, but nobody cared anyway.
craftinator 5y ago
I really found my chakras to be stimulated by the wordy venting as well. That's a very good point!
kranner 5y ago
This may be subjective. For others (including me), it drives the irritation level higher and makes it harder to pay attention. Ranty writing fuels my own tendency to get annoyed and ranty; it makes me want to disengage to preserve my own mood. ("Holub on Patterns" is one example of a book I couldn't finish because of this quality of the writing.) Personally for me, concise and information-dense writing makes me sit up and pay attention.

Nullabillity 5y ago

No, your rewritten version misses the fact that they're trying to work around the problem, which is what takes it from "X is wrong because I say so" to "X is causing them tangible problems".